To think the choice of women on TV just displays yet again the inherent sexism in the TV industry?

[wishiwas21again]

Following on from a thread in Telly Addicts in which I posted the following -

I don't love her (Kate Humble), I can't stand her

Bill Oddie may have been annoying but he did actually know what he was talking about and lets not forget he had mental health problems as a result of a horrific childhood. Kate Humble is not a true nature expert just someone who looks pretty and got lucky. Television shows us once again that looks and popularity win over true expertise

A bit like Gaby Logan. At the last olympics there were hundreds of sporting experts they could have interviewed, but she adorned the screen for excessive amounts of time because she is good looking.

It is misogynist as well and not at all empowering to women.

And don't get me started on Nigella, with her 'sluts' pasta and black silk dressing gowns. Do male TV chefs offer themselves in such a way? Bah!

I bet the male TV bosses at the BBC and whatever have a field day

YANBU.

Could you imagine a female version of Simon Cowell gracing our screens every Saturday night - it just wouldn't happen. The message is always that if you're a man it's what you do/know that matters, if you're a woman you have to be thin and good looking.

I was thinking this when I was watching Breakfast the other morning. I thought Sian Williams was looking older and wondered how long they'd keep her on. The male presenter (Bill someone) can get as old and craggy as he likes and be in no danger.

Wow - jameelaq, that's a pretty big hole in the sand you've built for your head, there...

Why are you taking such umbrage at people questioning the one rule for men and one for women status quo? It's one thing to buy into looks over talent in show biz, but only if the same thing applies to men, when it patently doesn't. Men are hired far more for their ability, compared with women for their looks. And women are given the boot far earlier than men.

It's disingenuous to pretend this doesn't happen.

And as for your comment about films - that's all well and good if you're talking about historical films, but why do men need to dominate roles in modern day films as well?

I really don't understand why some women are so reluctant to scratch beneath the surface on issues like these. I'm sure it's a great fear of being accused of the f-word. [hgrin]

Jamee, think you've just displayed a startling ignorance of history there. If you want to contribute something intelligent to this thread, suggest you get yourself down to your local library and undergo a short course of reading.

Are women a different race? I never knew that. Must keep up with the latest theories.
Did women discover stuff? I know that Marie Curie invented the radio which is pretty important but more importantly Columbus circumcised the world with a giant clipper.
All you need to know about the history channel is that they are not really aware that a lot of history happened before 1939, and a not inconsiderable amount after 1945, also some of it was not connected with Germany

What are all these films about philosophy in which the interesting roles naturally go to men? I think I have only ever seen one film about philosophy* in my entire life.

(*Derek Jarman's Wittgenstein. Are there any others?)

edam Sat 30-Oct-10 14:45:06
Jamee, think you've just displayed a startling ignorance of history there. If you want to contribute something intelligent to this thread, suggest you get yourself down to your local library and undergo a short course of reading

Hi Edam, Not sure what ignorance you are referring to here. What should I read about?
If I read more, will it make me more intelligent?

sethstarkaddersmummyreturns Sat 30-Oct-10 20:14:07
What are all these films about philosophy in which the interesting roles naturally go to men? I think I have only ever seen one film about philosophy* in my entire life.

(*Derek Jarman's Wittgenstein. Are there any others?)

I think you may be interpreting my comment a little too narrowly here (notwithstanding Meetings with Remarkable Men as a film about a philosopher for example - unfortunate title I know but I can't help that). Point is I don't know of any female philosophers.

jameelaq, you're not making any sense and I assume you're drunk, so will not talk to you any more tonight.

ok fine. I'm not drunk though. I don't drink, well very rarely. But anyway without wading through google have there been any female philosophers, or were you on acid when you said that?

Well, I did just google and yes I recognise several names but I wouldn't really call them philosophers. De Beavoir? Baroness Warnock? Well I've heard of loads of the others but these two stood out for some reason, the paedophile and the uhhh, did she say anything at all about the mystery of existance?

Christ Jamee, where were you educated? Are you really so blissfully unaware of the erasure of women's achievements out of history?

LOL at the comment about the history channel though, you're quite right.

Whenever I stumble across it, it is all about WWII.

Well maybe I am, or maybe they are just not that significant? Being serious for a change, because we are all aware how history is written by the victors etc etc. Can you give me 3 female philosophers and what they posited? Hopefully this will also show that human development changed in some way since they made their point. Thanks

Edam - still waiting for that reading list that will make me less ignorant and more intelligent. Honestly, where is it?

jameela, it's not for you to demand that other people on the interweb educate you.

You are responsible for your own education. Stop demanding reading lists.

Jamee can you give me a list of three films about male philosophers?

You could argue that Germain Greer, Andrea Dworkin and Naiomi Wolf are all female philosophers.

Do you know what, Jamme, oddly enough I've been busy doing other stuff. You should try it sometime. Might broaden that very narrow mind of yours.

Perhaps you could ask your local librarian to point you in the direction of the works of J Austen, G Eliot, C, E and A Bronte. Just for starters.

Then once you'd warmed up, perhaps you could visit the Bayeux Tapestry. On your return, ask the librarian for a biography of Hildegard of Bingen. Then try to find out a little about Judith Cameron, Kate Greenaway, Georgia O'Keefe, Frida Kahlo, Annie Leibowitz. To name just a few.

Or you could just take your head out of your arse and go and look up some of this stuff on your own. FFS.

Jamee, just seen you being a racist fecker on another thread - probably best to ditch the reading list, might be a little too challenging.

HerBeatitude Sat 30-Oct-10 22:42:06
jameela, it's not for you to demand that other people on the interweb educate you.

You are responsible for your own education. Stop demanding reading lists.

I don?t demand. I was told I should read. For what purpose I am still waiting. As I have a degree in literature and psychology, I treat reading lists for what they are worth, ie nothing. It is the quality of the mnid that reflects on what it reads that is worth something. And I am still waiting for a point to be made apart from: you are unintelligent, you should read more, you should educate yourself etc. Greer, Dworkin et al all spouted but did they say anything remotely significant? If so I am still waiting to be told/educated/be pointed to some reading lists. Please someone make a point instead of just slagging. If this all womankind can put up as the raison d?etre, then God save us all.

You aren't that good at reading, given you hadn't noticed I'd answered that point. And if you have a degree in literature, how did you fail to notice that there have been lots of women writers?

STILL FUCKING WAITING. WHAT DID THEY SAY?

Why don't you fucking go and read the books and find out?

go flex your mcp,you found mn so find google

people who make demands for answers.i want this NOW.well you're on plums.naturally clever contrary is to ignore widdle feetie stamping and demands fore dis and dat