to think the 'F' word is one we should be proud of......

[PosieComeHereMyPreciousParker]

Thanks to MN, especially dittany, Lenin, BoF and Anyfucker, I have been made aware of my casual attitude to misogyny. This short journey in my reclaiming my old values recently lead me to the London Feminist Network Conference on Saturday. And Oh my God it is one of the most inspirational things I've ever done.

Having money and being relatively attractive in my younger days I was mislead into thinking that being a feminist was irrelevant, after all we had a female PM and then 'girl power' where we were fooled into thinking with the right body shape and a little wit the world was our oyster (farm).

My husband's and friends' response to my recent activities have ranged from being mystified to mockery, from resentment to full on stereotypical prejudice. I am alarmed that barely any of my friends think feminism is relevant.

Am I being unreasonable to reclaim the word feminist to mean a person that wants to rid the world of gender prejudiced?

i have actively participated,and on specific points.do persuse at your leisure

'do peruse at your leisure' -- that's an example of the kind of unnecessary little addendum that is a net negative to a discussion, SM.

my opinon has been challenged on thread.obviously posters read something into it enough to respond

off top of head from memory, and no this isnt a c&p is a jist thang.the opinions i offered

women arent homogeneous mass and shouldnt be represented as such

current neuro-psych research into gender diffs
refuted significant male/female difference

violence and repression against any gender is significant.

disagreed that some women are too stupid to be feminist or conditioned not to be by society

do peruse at leisure is an invitation to familiarise self with my posts.not an instruction to find alleged offence in everything

current neuro-psych research into gender diffs
refuted significant male/female difference

What has that got to do with how women are viewed? And if the world views women as a homogeneous mass then surely you should too. Universal assumptions mean far more in RL than what the individual perceives, that's the whole point.

sm...just wondering if you are denying that you intend to be nasty? precious moment mamas sticks in my mind as one of your most sneering put downs (for the record a parent that wishes to experience every first step/first word etc is not someone I would criticise)

it means one cannot postulate males and females are significantly different.so all tge men venus woman mars alleged behavioural and emotional diffs have been overststed

homogenity- are women homogenous.well no takers on that one posie

CommanderGhoul Wed 27-Oct-10 21:27:41
Isn't the whole point of feminism that women are not a homogenous mass? Or am I missing something?

dittany Wed 27-Oct-10 22:33:47
But anyway I don't know anybody who thinks women are a homogenous mass

is waht i have written on this thread over past few days

posie was it you who pretended to be a social worker and accost members of the public and their children to reproach them about parenting

posie take issue with my terminology.i take issue with your pretending to be a social worker.mine is an informal made up term i oft subjectively use. social worker is a protected title, that you purport be.so my use of terminology may offend you as bitchy,but hey yours is illegal

Oh FFS as if anybody sane would use their leisure time to peruse SM's ghastly posts. Now why don't you fuck off to the chickent thread SM and prod them a bit? Is it because you're not so obsessed by telling chicken keepers they're wrong, as you are by telling feminists they are?

Now, on to the other anti-feminist ShriekingHarpy, I just thought her argument needs to be dealt with in a little more detail. She has invited us to consider that the reason that women are paid less than me, is because they trade pay for flexibility and work life balance. To which the short answer is: The very fact that the workplace and the domestic sphere is set up, to ensure that being a mother and being a highly paid employee are often mutually exclusive, is evidence of institutional sexism. We need to change the work place so that the flexibility needed to function properly as a parent (or a carer of elderly parents or other vulnerable groups, like disabled partners etc.), is not an excuse to pay the people who do that caring (overwhelmingly women) less than men on a systematic basis. If men were generally the main carers of elderly parents and children, you can bet your life that work life balance would be written into the fabric of the workplace, in the way that inequality is written in at the moment. The idea that breastfeeding and childrearing must automatically lead to being disadvantaged in the workplace, is sexist in itself.

Next:
?Perhaps some do feel constrained by social stereotypes (and unwittingly conform to the passive-woman ideal). Or maybe there are inherent biological differences between men and women, which affect conduct, behavioural traits and so on. Currently the jury is out on that one, as am I.?

Well, I have an idea. Let?s get rid of the social steretypes and the passive woman ideal (we'll need feminism to help us do that) and then, if women are still less good at arguing, we?ll know it?s biological not social. Then we can all stop arguing about it.

doesnt work like that,open forum i can and will post anywhere i want

LOL I mean women are paid less than men of course, not less than me (dodgy N key)

dittany you understood enough to respond at time,yet now you assert you dont know what opinion i discussed?

how curious

at SM demanding consistenty of response from anyone else.

thought you wanted me to fuck off to chooks hb?naw? all the hens here are much more interesting

dittany i have extensively covered this,do keep up

scottishmummy Thu 28-Oct-10 20:36:55

my opinon has been challenged on thread.obviously posters read something into it enough to respond

off top of head from memory, and no this isnt a c&p is a jist thang.the opinions i offered

women arent homogeneous mass and shouldnt be represented as such

current neuro-psych research into gender diffs
refuted significant male/female difference

violence and repression against any gender is significant.

disagreed that some women are too stupid to be feminist or conditioned not to be by society

Where have I given you the impression that I have ceased to want you to fuck off to the chicken-keeping threads SM?

I still think you might have fun there.

(Am PMSL at the thoguht of the feud it would cause between Feminist section and Chicken keeper section. Or perhaps they'd all flee to this section and we'd get a few more converts?

Fuck me, am considering fleeing to the chicken keeping threads myself.