Kicking the poor again

[Ryoko]

Right after reading the budget I need a good rant and I've not been on here in months so here goes.

Council Housing rent to increase for new tenants to 80% of the going market rent. are they mad, this is the end of Social housing by the back door, the Condem tossers should have just been honest (I know thats not a word they understand) and said right we are going to sell off all the housing stock and all you serfs will have to go out and get better jobs or live on the street, (next year they will be introducing a new bill to make homeless dossing illegal and chuck everyone in prison who happens to be poor, followed by the introduction of work houses).

And while they single handedly pull the rug out from under the feet of the poor (the only stop gap between them and the gutter) they ring fence the Overseas Aid budget that goes to such desperately in need countries as Russia, China and India, if you can afford massive armies and nukes you can feed your own damn poor people you tossers.

I'm sick to death of toff politician scum, lining the pockets of themselves and their mates at the expensive of the workingman/woman and the underclass who can't get a job for love nor money and are universally used as the nations punch bag to blame for everything.

When the hell are we going to grow a damn spine and take our country back off of those scum bags, they are meant to work for us, not themselves and there damn greed, bunch of tax dodging, expensives grabbing scumbags.

Guy Fawkes had the right idea and we haven't had a good riot since the Poll Tax, bout time for a good old fashioned uprising

LOL you're funny...

Mummy, what does ad hominem mean?

I've never been one to confuse opinion, especially mine, with fact. But It's normal when arguing or debating to present rational arguments that support your hypothesis. Not seen that from you. You're just accusing the Tories of cutting the deficit due to an ideology other than an attempt to regain control of the budget. No evidence, just opinion presented as fact. Do you see?

Evil Tory is mine, yes - that's why I (tm)ed it.

Fair point, Grimma, I was surprised by them- however, I suspect the extent of those cuts was an attempt to peddle the 'we're all in this together' line.

"In fact, I think Labour were more than happy to 'take a backseat' for a while."

Yes, we'll step back and the other lot will do so badly over one term we'll come back to power easily in five years. It worked so well for Labour in 1979 that they were only out of power for, oh, yes. It worked so well for the Tories in 1997 that, ah, indeed.

Oppositions don't win elections, governments lose them. And when the failings of previous governments are fresh in the mind and the current government haven't had a chance to get obviously corrupt, it's tempting to give them another chance. And another. Labour never learnt the lesson of 1983 (one more heave to the left, comrades!) and never learnt the lesson of 1992 (that people prefer the mild-mannered devil they know). Labour are out of power for a generation, sadly. Neither Blair nor Brown were MPs in 1979, and Cameron wasn't in 1997. It's likely that the next Labour PM isn't yet an MP, and if they carry on parachuting nonentities into safe seats that's not going to get better...

"remind me which bit of Tory ideology is responsible for cutting prison places"

One small ray of pleasure in the grim horror of the last few months has been watching Labour being outflanked on the left on crime by the Tories. It's like the Maginot line being made obsolete by blitzkrieg, isn't it?

'LOL'? Oh Dear.

You seem to have got yourself in quite a tizzy, Daemon. Would it helped if I prefaced everything I posted with "It is my belief that..."

This is an online forum, not a 6th form dissertation.

Perhaps you should send a memo round, as I believe quite a few posters may also have 'misunderstood' your the rules.

Agree with OP!

TethHeasre...

Tizzy? Oh dear, patronising people is not an attractive quality.

Got nothing constructive to say? or are you just going to continue to be insulting?

It's not Labour anyway, it's Nu-Labour the party political version of Transformers, Tories in disguise.

I swear to god all we ever do is go round in circles, The Tories make everything fall apart while making themselves rich, then Labour spends more then it has, trying to improve peoples lot in life and it all goes round again and again for all time.

I'm going to start the Picard party, our logo will be the Facepalm, our only policy is that we are not the other two and will try to do something different and see how it turns out.

Good idea.I am seriously thinking there has got to something I/we can do.
I watched some of it yesterday.One of the things I found upsetting wwas the utter idiots saying'here,here' IDIOTS

If you think that was insulting, perhaps you should get out more?

Bollocks to it, Daemon. I've had this argument too many times.

Now, feel free to wax lyrical about how my swearing is a sign of a poor vocabulary and is indicative of my having forsaken the debate. I think I'm past caring, it's so exhausting. You've won, enjoy it.

"One of the things I found upsetting wwas the utter idiots saying'here,here' IDIOTS"

Or hear, hear, as they were more probably saying.

If you think that bollocks is swearing perhaps you should get out more [hwink]

Look, I'm sorry you're so pissed off over a silly argument on the internet. I enjoy debates about important issues, I just assumed (since you posted your opinion) that you did too. I just get a bit fed up when people can't hold an argument without 1st resorting to ad hominem attacks. Play the ball not the player etc.

Anyway, I am impressed with your ending there... Turning a loss into a win. [hgrin] Perhaps you are good at the internet after all.

'All men are created equal, but some are more equal than others.'

"Look, I'm sorry you're so pissed off over a silly argument on the internet."

Now who's being patronising, eh?

It's not the argument itself, it's the disappointment. I am not joking, I have had this argument about fifty times on here in the past week or two. Even on the 'depressed lefties' thread, which was overrun by Conservative supporters telling us all why we were WRONG

Anyway, you will be pleased to know that that is the first time I've thrown in the towel on MN.

I should do it more

Perhaps we shall meet again on another thread and debate... to the death!

"Now who's being patronising, eh?" - touché

To the death next time then... [hgrin]

boycottbigbusinesssociety.blogspot.com/

You may find the above link interesting. Its a list of all of the business leaders who backed the cuts earlier on in the week. Interestngly I know of at least 2 on there, Boots and Mothercare who have their finances funneled through tax havens Switzerland and Luxembourg. Time for a boycott plus I can't stand that 'Here come the girls' song anymore.

may I add JoJo bebe Maman to the list, if for no other reason than smugness? was listening to the owner discussing on the radio this afternoon that she cannot get the 'right' staff as there are 'such high expectations' and she gives the example that in Wales, a high proportion of people work in public sector, therefore have the idea that they should be paid more than minimum wage and should have work related benefits and flexible working . She insists that private sector cannot compete and has spoiled the working poor retail sector for giving them ideas above their station

I had this poor Irish guy from BT ring me today trying to sell me BT Vision and TV package.

LOL. We live in a flat with very poor reception. Most time have no TV at all.

But we can't afford to get anything other than Freeview now.

I'm pretty over this place now.

Guess if you can't get TV reception, you didn't see the program a few days ago about property in Austin? Get quite a bit of bang for your buck there....

I did see part of that, ilove! In spite of the damn TV jumping around and stalling out :).

And you can get much, much, much cheaper than that if you know where to look.

I guess what I'm really getting sick of is paying more and more and more money for 'homes' that are little above a freezing cold, damp-ridden shithole

I'm going to start the Picard party, our logo will be the Facepalm, our only policy is that we are not the other two and will try to do something different and see how it turns out.

I'm in!!!!
And if the rioting starts I am in there too!

How long will we take this shit lying down?

OFFS. I am so sick of the tories, or "coalition" blaming the previous government and Brown for the state things are in now.

1. There was WORLDWIDE banking and credit crash. Most countries have fared much worse than us, in part due to Browns strategy directly after it.

1. While Labour were entirely at fault in supporting the kind of banking de-regulation that caused the crash, the Tories were not exactly fighting this de-regulation and laissez faire economy.

Hell no. There were right on board with all of the same policies.

It's only now that Cameron and co can conveniently blame Brown as an excuse for bringing in savage cuts that will only really affect the poor and middle of society.

1. If we as a country are daft enough to fall for the spin that "if Labour hadn't left us in this mess we wouldn't have to take away your rights and services" we deserve everything we get.

It is outrageous what is happening, and I am in total agreement with OP about the housing thing. Not content with selling off the best of the housing stock, now they are essentially taking away the point of it.

There would not be the debates on here about social housing if there was enough to go round.

Social housing was originally intended for ordinary families, not just the very worst off and people with social problems.

The very fact that the stock has been depleted and sold off at profit has caused immense problems, including a housing shortage and sink estates.

What the Condems are doing is further widening the already massive gap between rich and poor. Soon we will be no different to Brazil, but with infinity shitter weather.

Actually, I think if you read the small print in the spending review, you'll find that the government have privatised the weather; so you will be able to buy in the weather you require, provided you earn over £26,000 pa