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To be a teeny bit relieved that we left the UK!

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Cadpat · 20/10/2010 22:40

I have namechanged for this, as I know I am probably going to get flamed!

DH got a job in Canada and as a family we took a big income cut (from a dual income to single income) and moved over this year. Originally I didn't want to leave the UK, but I a beginning to feel really relieved that we left when we did, especially when I see and hear about the scale of the coalition cuts.

We have also managed to buy a really nice house which we would have never been able to afford where we lived in the UK, and even with the paycut life just feels a lot more stable here.

That said, I feel a bit like a rat leaving a ship though! AIBU?

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AbsofCroissant · 21/10/2010 09:59

YABU
to move to Canada. It's cold. VERY cold. Why would you do that? Why would you go from somewhere cold to somewhere colder? WHY?!

(I think you might say that I'm not a fan of cold weather).

crazycanuck · 21/10/2010 10:03

Vancouver's climate is much like the UK. It makes the news if it snows in Vancouver!

Bue · 21/10/2010 10:15

YANBU. I'm Canadian/British and keep thinking, geez this is not the time to be living in the UK... Economically Canada is in a far better position than Europe right now.

I would like to take this opportunity to dispel the myth that Canada is always freezing Grin. In summer most of Canada is VERY hot. The summers are much nicer than they are here. And the coastal climate is the same as England - not particularly cold and it rains a lot.

ggirl, yes Dundas is definitely Dullsville. Sad

GoreRenewed · 21/10/2010 10:22

Hang on! Won't Canada have to make cuts too?

Or is it just us Hmm

I am very happy. I don't feel as if I live in MiseryVille. I have good customer services, people here talk in queues and in sshops. I have left my doors unlocked before now and not really worried about it. Most of negative cliches about the UK are just perceptions.

GoreRenewed · 21/10/2010 10:25

A friend of mine was refused entry to Oz because her youngest child has ongoing kidney problems. These were both highly-trained experienced successful professionals with plenty of dosh to spend on health care but they weren't wanted. I don't think it's unusual riven.

NigellaPleaseComeDineWithMe · 21/10/2010 10:26

That was my point gore Canada went through this adjustment a while ago - same sort of asuterity measures - wondering how the folks in Canada actually view this now - in general are they glad it went through and now the size of gov't spending is more in balance (which is what the gov't is trying to do here).

Bue · 21/10/2010 10:33

I think the disability thing applies mainly to the 'economic migrant' class, not to the 'family' class, which is when a Canadian brings over a spouse, stepchild etc.

Canada went through austerity measures in the recession of the 1990s. There aren't any spending or budget cuts planned on the same level as we are seeing in England now.

BlueGreen · 21/10/2010 11:07

I'm going to Canada(Calgary and Banff) in two weeks time and will see if i will like it.

Regarding cold weather. He said "it gets freezing cold in February for couple of weeks (2 to 3 weeks) but it doesnt stop anything or anyone going to work or whatever they want to do. As they are organized and prepaired. And it doesnt get dark at4-4:30pm in winter like London.

Summers are lovely. Waterfalls, mountings, parks etc." It is appealing. And as someone already said here, I never heard anything bad about Canada from Canadians or non Canadians. So it must be good.

Takver · 21/10/2010 11:19

Its great that you love Canada. I reckon its good to be a happy immigrant who loves your new country, OR to be a happy stay-at-home who realises that the UK has its good points despite everything.

The only unforgivable thing is to be like the (sadly all too common) British immigrants in Spain who moan about their new country all the time!

(Not that I am saying that you have to think Spain is perfect to live there, but if you are going to spend all your time moaning about the people/whatever then it is time to move.)

And then of course if you ever decide to come back you will really appreciate all the good things about the UK :)

scaryteacher · 21/10/2010 11:42

I am a sort of expat in that HMG sent us abroad and so as dh is paid by HMG we have a vested interest in what happens in the UK.

I am glad for the moment not to be there, but I am under no illusions that the cuts won't affect us as 1 in 5 are being made redundant from the RN and it may well be dh given that he is expensive (top of pay band) for his rank and has only 3.5 years to go before he has to retire.

He is job hunting, but here, not in the UK, as there will be few jobs for someone of his qualifications in our neck of the woods.

ben5 · 21/10/2010 11:55

living in australia biggest regret is that we didn't do it sooner. we moved over in june 09. oh and if any of you have rain can we borrow some please!

expatinscotland · 21/10/2010 11:57

I'd be off to Canada like a shot.

ben5 · 21/10/2010 11:57

Scaryteacher we moved over from RN to RAN really good package look into it next year as it's about a 2 year process

Olifin · 21/10/2010 12:30

You can't have any of ours ben5, we need all we can get on the South Coast :)

We considered moving abroad for a while but it would have had to be an English-speaking place and USA, Canada, Aus, NZ....are all too far away. ALL of our family are here in the UK and long-distance flights don't come cheap. In the grand scheme of things, seeing my mum even two or three times a year would just never be enough.

If it were up to me, we'd move to France like a shot. That much closer and easy to do long weekends visiting home. I love the food, the culture and the people. But I really don't think OH could cope with learning the language (or want to, for that matter).

NickOfTime · 21/10/2010 14:56

family class applicants to canada don't get refused on burden grounds. skilled worker and and investors can - each application is judged on individual costs etc. i suspect you are right about dd riv, (i assume that was the chapman's case with the dd with angelman's you linked to? - didn't click) as her needs are quite costly.

all i will say is, it is changing slowly - this year we were granted pr with dd2 who has cerebral palsy, but is not as compromised as riv's dd, and lots of children with autism/ aspergers are now being accepted, which hasn't been the case up until now. it isn't perfect, but it is improving. families have to put together a letter of intent showing how they will mitigate against the costs raised by family members with a disability. Sad

anyway, we were very worried that we would get refused with dd2 (there is an appeal process etc) but after 3.4 yrs, we are in. Grin

cadpat we live near the Hat, but have a house in canmore Grin that we intend to move to next year Grin Grin Grin

re cold... it was 26 degrees here over the weekend Grin, but i like it colder. no skiing if the snow melts. Wink

scaryteacher · 21/10/2010 15:01

ben5 - dh retires in 3.5 years, and I don't think they need many nuclear submariners. We hope that he finds a job around the bazaars where we are now, he's in the right place to be looking.

NicknameTaken · 21/10/2010 15:09

I had the possibility to go and live in Winnipeg, Canada. Shudder. I find the UK a million times more interesting to live in. And it's not fear of relocation - I've lived in five other countries.

mathanxiety · 21/10/2010 15:30

Emy -- Prince Edward Island is lovely, climate mild; maybe not the heppest spot on the face of the earth, but truly lovely, if you're looking for somewhere. (Maritime provinces in general very nice imo)

emy72 · 21/10/2010 15:37

mathanxiety - thanks!

Anyone know where I can make a start who's done it before? ie looking for a job first or looking for immigration process first etc? sorry for thread hijack...

NickOfTime · 21/10/2010 15:57

emy - go to britishexpats.com and look on the canada board. there loads of people at different stages through the process, and a really good wiki which will tell you everything you need to know.

or you could just look at the cic website Wink

6-12mos is the norm now if you qualify for skilled worker, are on 'the list' etc. it took us 3 1/2 years (old application process)

frakkinstein · 21/10/2010 16:41

You don't really want to move to France. Trust me.

Even less if the socialists get a president in next election because then we'll be where Britain is now in 10 years time. As it is the preventative measures are not popular...

Cadpat · 21/10/2010 18:37

OK, first of all, I am not crowing. Like I mentioned, I hated Edmonton at first, thought it was a redneck city (it still can be, you just have to ignore parts of it). I loved living in the UK. I adored the Wirral, where we used to live and I constantly miss it.

However, I kid you not, but it took us five whole years before we were accepted into the local community. I shopped at the local grocers almost everyday and was never acknowledged. There is a hierachy in small town UK that itsvery difficult for newcomers to break into. It doesn't matter if you were planning to live there forever, you'll always be 'foreigners' to them. I have never felt like that here. In fact, we've had the neighbours over with fresh produce from their garden the weekend we moved in. DD had a playdate with the neighbour's kids three day afterwards. Another neighbour found out that we didn't have a lawnmower and mowed the lawn for us for almost close to a month this summer. I am just contrasting this to where I lived previously, it took us almost 5 months to say hello to the woman who lived upstairs. Again, I am sure this is not true of the whole of the UK, but this is how it was when I first moved there.

I do not mean to imply that people living back in the UK are in any way worse off than me. However, even with a dual income we still depended on basic benefits like CTC and CB. To have to live without them would have been a huge adjustment. I am sure we would have made it, and lived with it, but I am glad we don't have to do that.

Yup, Canada can be boring. But we're boring people. We lived in London, and realised that we hadn't been to Central London in months at one point. I do miss the vibrancy of Liverpool though and wish I could transplant that here. So, yup some Canadian cities are not for everyone. But that's a personal choice.

To address some other points... yes its cold as heck here. But they know how to deal with it. I remember very well London being paralysed by a little snow. Personally, I would have loved to move somewhere warmer. However, DH's job meant we have to move somewhere where he can used his specialised environmental science degree (what better place than AB, with all the concerns about oil sands!!) I tend not to go out when its -40 though :) DD however, adores the snow. Bah!!!

Riven, I had never heard of that particular case. And I am frankly appalled if it is true. I hope its overturned on appeal. I believe, however, that cases are processed individually. However, you do need a significant sum of 'starter money' if you see what I mean? Enough to support you and your family for 6 months, without having to depend on social benefits. If you had that, then I honestly cannot see any reason why you shouldn't be able to move with your DD. However, if you or your DH got a job in Canada, then its worth moving as family class, as opposed to skilled worker, as there are not as many health restrictions. You also don't need the starter money if there is a job involved and CIC process these applications faster.

Emy, best way to start is to start the immigration process. It takes a while, and you can apply for jobs in the meantime. If you do get a job during the assessment process you inform the CIC and they speed up the process so you can take up the job within a few months. CIC is the best place to look for the starting points. Good luck!!

And finally, I am not fully up to date with Canadian economics as yet, but my impression is that they avoided the worst of the downturn thanks to a heavily regulated banking industry which limited their exposure to the US sub-prime crisis. I don't believe their social welfare system is at risk at the moment like what's happening in the UK. And thankfully for us, house prices are fairly stable, which means a heck of a lot at the moment.

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Cadpat · 21/10/2010 18:37

Aw heck, I am so sorry for the essay, just realised how long the previous post was Blush

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NickOfTime · 21/10/2010 21:50

re the chapman's case though - the family had already been refused pr by the canadian government, but still chose to sell their house and relocate. the media just picked up on the 'canada refused entry to disabled girl' line, but not many sources reported that they had been refused pr at an earlier point, but had then still decided to sell up and move.

it was very very sad, but tbh in their shoes, having being refused pr, i wouldn't have expected to be allowed in. we were watching it very carefully as our application was in process at the time, and dd2 has cerebral palsy.

sad, but they really really should have known better. if you have been refused residence, you don't pack your bags/ house and travel anyway. you fight it through the courts, and when they change their minds, then you sell your house and book your flights.

Cadpat · 21/10/2010 23:29

Thanks for that NoT... I didn't realise that PR had already been denied.

I entered as a tourist, and still technically am on a tourist visa while DH applies for PR for me. He has dual citizenship, as does DD so it was only me who was the sticking point.

The PR process is taking a long time at the moment from within the country, I believe family class out of the country is much faster.

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