To think it was ridiculous to prosecute Mary Bale aka the cat-in the bin woman?

[mrsruffallo]

What a waste of time. Honestly, look at the world around you and get some perspective!

Yes ours does, it is raised about 5 miles down the road, slaughtered about 3 miles down the road and butchered in the shop. It is totally worth the price and I would far rather eat it less often to get the taste and know how/where it is raised/slaughterd

I didn't say it was only a cat, I said I thought prosecution was unneccessary

BellasFormerFriend - at the risk of pursuing a red herring, certified organic farmers subscribe to higher standards of animal welfare than farmers who use more intensive methods of animal rearing here

Yes, she should have been prosecuted - she got caught committing a crime.

Punishment quite reasonable - she hasn't been sent to jail, she's been given a fine.

You must be very unfortunate longstocking. There are hundreds of cats round here and I can honestly say I hardly ever get cat shit in my garden.

I am quite sure Mary Bale wasn't thinking about cat shit in the slightest when she did what she did. Fraid she's not a martyr to your cause

BellasFormerFriend that is a ridiculous argument.

Farms are designed to raise livestock.

Having a pet is an entirely selfish act, it is not done for the benefit of the community. And if you have a pet you are responsible for its crap. If you can't keep control of your pet then get one you can control. It is simply unethical and you know it.

A feral cat or fox I can accept but not your pet. That's different. You only have that pet for your personal pleasure ipso facto - deal with its crap then.

Longstocking you are hilarious
I must be ok though because my cat is easily as intelligent as a human and understands all about fences and boundaries and people's shoes so that is alright.

it's hilarious that we have to constantly clear up cat crap before we can use our garden? That's hilarious? How nasty of you to find it funny that I have to constantly clear up after other people's pets. It is actually very depressing and revolting.

OP -

I was a vegetarian for 30+ years and am now vegan, from a family whose main trade was in owning and running butcher's shops for 150 years - a trade I know a fair bit about.

I'm also an animal rights supporter and rescuer and I practice what I preach. Come back to me when you have a decent argument rather than patronising comments.

Meantime,

Olderandwider, I can't get your link to work sorry, I do think certified organic subscribe to certain other conditions, my point to the op was simply that certified organic is not the same as properly treated which she seemed to be under the impression it was. whilst it may well be better it certainly is not right (IMHO - but I have quite strict rules for myself on meat production - in fact I would rather raise my own meat to be sure but don't have the space )

TO they are the links I can't look at anymore. They flash into my mind before I go to sleep. The cat one I was able to read about because it had a happy outcome in the end. I can't read ones where they are still tracking owners who have battered their dogs. What are those bastards going to do with their dog to avoid being identified? That's the worry for me.

I personally think that teens who gob on the street should be lobbed in wheelie bins too-filthy creatures.

No I said you are hilarious not your situation is hilarious but you carry on.

What about litter droppers too? And people who drive dirty polluting old cars. And those who refuse to recycle.

I don't eat meat, and eat free range eggs. But I would hope that everyone cares about animal rights, not just veggies etc. It's unrealistic to say you can only care if you don't eat meat, we want more people campaigning against animal abuse, not less.

I even hate cats and think she was evil. You just don't put animals in bins, end of. It starts with this and ends with cruelty to people, so I consider it a thin end of the wedge issue.

Liter droppers for sure. Maybe the litter could drop them in the bin as an example of how to keep the streets clean

And the non recyclers in a recycling bin of course

But IMO it doesn't matter if it ends in cruelty to people or not. Both are horrific, both animal abuse and abuse of vulnerable humans. Because neither can speak for themselves, children rely on parents, the elderly on their carers, pets on their owners,it's all a massive, despicable abuse of trust

Actually I think that the most important thing is to educate meat eaters so they care - after all they are the people who actually buy the stuff - what we need is the meat eaters voting with their feet to make a difference to such a massive industry, they will only bow to market forces. Industry has shown again and again that regulation is adhered to in the most minute form possible so as to preserve profit.

I agree

A cat/some cats shit in your gardena and you therefore think that people who cause deliberate cats of to cruelty to innocent animals are brave

A Ferrit almost killed me once. I don't have an overwhelming urge to dump them all into wheelie bins. I'd hope that I'd seek metal help if I did.

Birds shit on my windows all the time. There is one particular Seagull who I am convinced takes pleasure in shitting on them 30 seconds after I have just washed them. As yet I have not had any urges to put him/her in a wheelie bin.

And OP YABU. You say it's not as bad as strangling a cat, but if the cat had not been found it would have faced a far more painful, slower death than strangulation.

When Mary Bale put the cat in the bin she had no idea when the bin men were due or when/if the cat would be found.

She says she doesn't know why she did it and it was just a spur of the moment thing. Then why she did not go to back to the house, when she realised what she had done to check that the cat had been found safely? Oh, yeah, that's right. It's because she didn't give a shit. She could do this sort of thing all the time for all we know, but just ahsn't been caught until now.

I also agree with BFF, not punishing her would have been giving people liek LongStocking the green light to go ahead and copy her.

YABU.