sterlizing drug addicts

[DwainRooney]

Should people who cannot look after their childen be sterilized?

The cutbacks are affecting everyone and why should we throw money at people who will eventually have their children put into care at great expense to the taxpayers

If you cannot look after your children you should not have them

for example, my mum is the only person i have to babysit my dcs. if something were to happen to her would that make me less of a parent? would my children be at risk?

Who are we to judge who can have children and who cannot?
Its not anyones call and giving £200 to an addict is blatant exploitation of a vulnerable member of society.

I wrote to the 'charity' this morning about how abominable this is. There must be some governing body that can shut them down, this is disgraceful.

Also, my mum is an alcoholic and got dry using the 12 step programme. Had this been around in the 1980's perhaps my brother and I wouldnt exist.

In a civilised society these schemes cant exist.

but tsc just because it isn't ideal does not mean the child shouldn't be born. how many children are born in ideal circumstances? really? i don't think a family support network is necessary for being a good parent.

Good on you Mammie81, i can't believe this is allowed either, i thought the law would protect against things like this.

What is an 'ideal circumstance to have a child in? I didn't know there was one...

Everyone does has the right because at the moment we don't live in a society that dictates who should have children.

We all may agree that drug addicts don't make the best parents but neither do smokers. alcoholics or shopping channel addicts - who decides?

'Whose rights do we prioritise? Drug addict parent or child?

Both.

There are long term active contraceptive methods available for women (WRt to the born addicted issue the most essential to access) that are not permanent.

It's not either or and money as a bribe should never be involved.

yes everyone has teh right to have a child. once they conceive that child they then have responsibility to provide the child with adequate nutrition and shelter. i don't think a family support network is an essential part of raising a child so i question why you have that on your list. but that jsut proves teh point that what is justifiable to you isn't by others so who would have overall say whether someone can have a child when so many people have different standards? unless an overwhelming majority was agreed on the standard acceptable, no-one should be setting any criteria for becoming a parent.

hang on a minute tsc, where did i say this was about encouraging anyone to have children. you are twisting my words to suit your own argument now. i can't discuss it with you if you are going to do things like that.

I dont believe my experiences were anything out of the ordinary for the children of addicts . As much as I am a fully functioning human being now , there really is a whole world of absolute horror I would love to use to illustrate my point but dont think it would be of any use. Paint a picture of dead bodies. paedopiles , babies left for dead with over dosed parents. No education, my god the list is endless. And the normal life of am addict child. The parents need support to stop the cycle. Prevention. There is no cure. You will find that the addict parents were thanking the organisation for not causing any more pain and can start to concentrate on themselves.

erm, i was asking where i said we should be encouraging people to have children. i dont know what your last post is in refernce to tbh. no-one said we should be encouraging parenthood in drug addicts. why are you saying that?

It's terrible that you had to so through that Sonia; I am the child of an alcoholic (so also addicted) dad however and whilst I wopuld say my childhood was less than perfect there was no horror of the type that you describe. Yet thread after thread on MN states that there is no difference between ndrunks and drug addiction- maybe our experiences show that to be wrong, I don't know. In my family almost all men on one side were alcoholic, and after a generation back the women also; Dad managed to rbeak the cycle eventually which in my eyes makes me proud of him but it did affect my parent's marriage and there was negatvity from that. Not so much I would ever say I should not have been born however; dad failed in some ways, but he went through real hardships as a child and then to have me (I am child 5, first one to live) and in many ways he was a better parent than my bober Mum.
I think experiences vary so much, and it's important we elarn from teh extremes but I don't beleive we have a right to coerce (and offering the £ is that IMO) people into sterilisation.

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But what about if your mum was the alcoholic and having her tenth child that would again be damaged and have to go through guilt and separation pain etc. To go and get pregnant again . Thats where this is aimed.

Surely offering long-term reversible sterilisation/contraception to all addicts is the answer? I am uncomfortable with getting people to agree with major life-changing events like permanent sterilisation when they are not thinking as clearly as they might be later on in life.

I do see the point about adults making mistake and the possibility of turning their lives around but, at the end of the day, they made their decisions, for whatever reason, to take drugs during pregnancy as biological adults, by definition (and plenty of people that have terrible things happen to them in their lives don't decide to do this). Sonia and other innocent babies born addicted did not have that choice. I feel more sorry for them. I think their rights need to be protected more than the adults TBH.

Actually jaffacake2 not all of the babies of addicts get taken into care, some of them (the lucky ones admitedly) get taken in by a family member.
My Daughter is a heroin addict, and I am raising my Grandaughter.
She is the most beautiful little girl, and I defy anyone to look her in the eye and then say that addicts should be sterilised.

Yes we should pay for drug addicts to get strilised. While we are at it here are some other pointers for cutting down expences:

Abort any disabled child (it cost too much on the NHS to look after them)

Bleach black people ( their color is just invonvinience!!)

No prison - if you are found guilty you should be hanged ( we can not affort to keep prisoners for 30 years!! or more !!) or send them to Australia

Any obese child should be fitted with a gastric band- so we save money on the long run.

No more than one child per family !! (Although that's me out of discussion)

ANY OTHER GREAT IDEAS FOR A CIVILISED SOCIETY ???