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to boycott M&S, Next, Mothercare,Asda and all those other companies who think the cuts are a 'good' idea?

77 replies

mintyfresh · 18/10/2010 09:50

So it is a good thing to make hundreds of thousands of redundancies, lose vital services and make the vulnerable in society pay for the mistakes of the bankers?

Who do these companies think spends money in their stores? Is it only private sector workers? Do they not understand that redundancies will affect their businesses?

Am so Angry that it is more important for them to lick George Osbournes arse than think about the misery these cuts are causing for people who never made the mess in the first place.

I'm going to think very carefully about where I spend my money this Christmas....

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EliB · 19/10/2010 10:23

Did anyone watch dispatches? We are all in this together ! They are having a laugh!

What if all the govs suffering as a result of the world economic crisis shut down the tax havens?
Surely that would bring in far more money than sacking all the school dinner ladies? Combine that with removing the charitable status of private schools and we should be half way there! (Oh silly me I forgot all these things support the well being, lifestyle and education of our ruling elite!)

I don't really think there is much difference between private sector workers and public sector workers - they are workers or Plebians in the real sense of the word. It seems that the workers are the ones who are paying for the mess created by years of the ruling elite protecting their own self interest be they a member of the conservative party the labour party or now the liberal party!

We were supposed to being going to France next week - whilst I am fed up that we will probably not make it you have to question our apathy and their energy in standing up for what matters - equality - opportunity - fairness.

LadyBlaBlah · 19/10/2010 10:41

There is an interesting article in the Independent today about this 'supporting letter'

Salient points are that there are no economists openly supporting the depth and speed of the cuts, most of those in the letter are fat cat supporters and donators to the Toryies, and also when Labour were so blatant with their PR they were accused and derided for their SPIN, yet nothing is said about this week's blatant attempt to justify their cuts through any means necessary, never mind the facts.

here

GiddyPickle · 19/10/2010 10:43

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sincitylover · 19/10/2010 11:16

Yes independent today interesting

Also not all big business is happy about the cuts - companies who provide outsourcing for public sector such as serco, ecouvert not so happy they rely on public sector for their income.

I find it odd that the letter writers can't see that many of their customers could be public sector workers who will not have funds to shop in their shops.

An economy built simply on consumer demand/retail is not sustainable

Many of them seem to be in retail - historically low pay, insecure industries - not sure how generating jobs in that sector will help public sector workers.

Yes agree about boycotting them plus Top Shop empire.

Extreme capitalism and worship of the market 'mugs' the ordinary person.

SpookyLettuce · 19/10/2010 15:26

Some of these big stores are rapidly expanding overseas and are therefore not so concerned about the shrinking UK market. Here is an article about Mothercare doing this.

sincitylover · 19/10/2010 15:33

the UK market is prob too sophisticated for Mothercare - I did used to shop there a bit but found it a bit tired and not particularly competitive price wise nor fashion wise.

Although maybe they've revamped a bit in recent times - there is a Mothercare 'superstore' near us but as my dcs are a bit older now have no need to visit it.

SpookyLettuce · 19/10/2010 15:42

Probably not far wrong there. Mine are older too so I don't go there these days but a few years ago the maternity wear was a bit frumpy, and they never seemed to have what I wanted in stock for some reason.

capricorn76 · 19/10/2010 15:47

I recently discovered that Mothercare funnel their money through Luxembourg. When you buy items online the statememt comes up with a forgein based company. I thought someone had stolen my card details but when I called Mothercare they said it was them. They clearly don't pay full taxes in the UK so why do they think they have the right to comment on tax cuts?

mintyfresh · 19/10/2010 19:53

...I hope they are getting ready for 490,000 new checkout assistants heading their way between now and 2015 Wink

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mellowyellwo · 19/10/2010 21:17

Im with exhaustednurse.
So it seems as a public sector worker i'm the lazy jobsworth who complains about pay and can work in private sector.

Right so would someone like to tell me were a 10 year expenced peads A&E nurse could work in private sector???
How many of you would like my job? I put up with verbal abuse on almost a weekly bases, have seen colleges phisicaly attacked,

Despite as a team working our hardest I have witnessed a number of children die, have consoled devastated parents who's child has gone from their world to being bought in by ambulance dead overnight (and I remember all of these childrens names)
And the rubbish about not cutting frontline services is C**p ok so their not making redundences but they are also not replacing people who leave and are telling use to make equitment cuts (the equitment we need to save and make your childrens lives better).

Sorry this has turned into a rant but I love my job but its hard enought without more cuts.

SupportsmallBusiness · 19/10/2010 21:25

I will be boycotting as many as possible of the above companies whose services I use. We consumers have power and should use it to show that we wont stand for nonsense.

exhaustednurse · 20/10/2010 07:26

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Rollmops · 20/10/2010 08:30

OP, the companies on your black-list will surely miss your custom.
Ahem...[rolls eyes emoticon]
Why are people so reluctant to understand the severety of the mess this country is currently in?
Cuts have to ba made, sorry.
[bangs head against wall emoticon]

coraltoes · 20/10/2010 08:49

ok, so all these heads of business, economists, politicians have it wrong...how would you fix it? Risk slowing or reversing economic growth, the one way to recovery? Risk high interest rates?

Unless britain massively cuts its deficit it will not receive lending from other investors. This isn't fabricated, this has happened to our country before in the Gilt buyer's strike of the 70s. If we cannot borrow money we cannot fund our debt...

i'd love to know how you'd address it without making cuts. Simply increasing tax doesn't guarantee the income in the same way. You are aware most other countries are doing exactly the same as the UK at the moment, aren't you...announcing spending cuts, job cuts, pay reductions in public sectors. It isn't like our government has taken complete leave of their senses and gone against the grain.

As for sincitylover have you ever shopped abroad? i'd say the british market is one of the least sopisticated. It has taken spanish brands such as Zara to come in and revamp the way we lay out our stores, manage seasonal stock and look at catwalks for closer inspiration!

There is a worryingly insular view of the world on mumsnet sometimes.

Sullwah · 20/10/2010 10:20

I am with Rollmops

I am sure your custom will be surely missed.

I also wonder how long you all will keep up your boycott before the initial rage you felt subsides and you forget why you are boycotting. A week, a month .... maybe even two month Hmm

sincitylover · 20/10/2010 12:00

of course I have shopped abroad and appreciate the contribution that Mango and Zara have made to the high street.

But you are not comparing like with like high end fashion with maternity and baby products - in the UK brands like Mothercare, BHS, Boots and WH Smith are a bit tired imo

but possibly Mothercare is a novelty overseas - or at least the other poster said they were expanding into overseas markets and not so reliant as the .

And I am proabably the least insular person you could meet - I live in London. work in an international environment and travel to Europe for work on occasion. Plus well travelled - Europe, US, Australia, Asia.

One could argue that the current govts language of managing the cuts is insular and parochial with their allusions of managing the economy like household budgets or as shopkeepers.

The comment in the Observer on Sunday was very good - talking about the need to see the global reason for the crisis and how to get out of it.

Haven't got it with me atm but might post a bit of it later.

sincitylover · 20/10/2010 12:01

And many economists do not actually agree with the speed and extent of the cuts.

If you can't see the ideology behind them then well ????

sincitylover · 20/10/2010 12:25

Found it - from Observer last Sunday - and before anyone says I realised the leanings of that paper but worth a read anyway

'The crisis that knocked Britain's economy so badly off course two years ago was global in nature. It still is.

That perspective is worth retaining through a week that will be dominated by domestic budgetary concerns. On Wednesday, the coalition government will set out its plans to reduce public spending on a scale not seen in generations.

The inevitable consequence will be a frenzy of political skirmishes over what has been axed and what spared. Labour will complain that the butchery is cruelly excessive; the coalition will insist it is the only remedy for a deficit disease contracted under the last government.

The arguments have hardly changed since the election campaign. Cuts ? for or against ? are the only political game in Westminster. That is natural enough since deficit reduction will have a massive impact on people's lives, through job losses and reduced services.

But the global context that seemed so vital when Gordon Brown was corralling world leaders into emergency summits has faded into the background. What used to be a crisis in world capitalism has been downgraded to a crisis in UK fiscal policy, appalling in its way, but neatly contained within our borders.

That is a dangerous illusion. The banking failures of 2007-08 were not a freak storm. They were the expression of stresses in the global economy that had built up over many years and are far from resolved.

The UK was pivotal in the credit crunch, to the extent that British institutions were deeply enmeshed in a financial system that nearly collapsed. But, at another level, Britain is a junior player in a global drama where the actors that matter most are China and America.

During the boom years, China built a colossal trade surplus, exporting to the US and other western consumers. The flow of cheap goods gave westerners the illusion of low inflation. Interest rates stayed low, stoking the credit bubble. Chinese savings, meanwhile, were recycled through the financial system, generating mountains of capital for investors to play with.

Now that the bubble has burst, China and the US are facing a very different kind of economic relationship, one that is rapidly souring. The consequences matter enormously to countries such as Britain, which are relying on buoyant world trade to carry their economic recovery. The omens are not good.

Beijing wants to continue selling cheap goods, not least because its manufacturing industries employ millions of people. If they lose their jobs, social unrest and political upheaval might follow. To lend its exporters a hand, the Chinese central bank intervenes to keep its currency low.

But the US has had enough of being the world's shopper of last resort. It wants to protect its own workers and start selling into Chinese markets. Washington is getting impatient. Demagogues in Congress talk about the impact of cheap imports on American jobs as an alien scourge. The US retaliation is a round of quantitative easing, effectively pumping the world full of dollars. That is supposed to stimulate domestic demand, but it also makes it harder for China to keep its own currency undervalued. The world's two economic superpowers are playing a game of currency brinkmanship. If not defused, the tension could lead to an all-out trade war, with barriers raised against unwanted goods and capital.

An outbreak of that kind of protectionism would be contagious and disastrous for Britain. An essential part of George Osborne's economic strategy is for the private sector to flourish when the public sector is pruned back. A large portion of that new growth is forecast to come from exports.

But Britain is not the only country looking for an export-led recovery. Consumers in most developed countries are feeling battered by recession. There is a lot of government ambition to sell things abroad and a worrying lack of demand. People aren't shopping like they used to. That is a rather important point for the chancellor to consider as he embarks on deep spending cuts.

The credit crunch was only the first phase of the global economic crisis. When the banks collapsed, they had to be bailed out with taxpayers' money. Then markets started to probe whether states were solvent enough to absorb the shock. So many governments, including Britain's, embraced austerity to signal that they were in control of their budgets.

But collective austerity risks shrinking demand and prolonged stagnation.

The coalition is now poised to take billions out of the economy, all in the hope of unleashing a private sector recovery based on manufacturing and exports. But to whom? The strategy relies on wide-open borders and eager consumers with money in their pockets. That is not how the global economy looks right now.

Both the chancellor and the prime minister are surely aware of this threat, but neither man has tried to bring it into public focus.

The Conservatives have defined their approach to the economy too much in opposition to Gordon Brown. The former prime minister insisted everything was global and found kudos at world economic summits. His successor prefers to keep things national. Mr Cameron and Mr Osborne woo the public with household homilies. Labour maxed out the credit card, failed to mend the roof, left the larder bare.

It is true that Labour overspent and that some painful measures are needed to address the deficit. But there are bigger truths that the coalition is not addressing. Britain's economic troubles are the consequence of a crisis in globalisation. The City of London's function as the hub of international finance made the UK particularly vulnerable. Without a determined effort of global co-ordination, like that brokered by Mr Brown in 2008, the economic bonds that sustained prosperity during the long boom will continue to dissolve.

There is a parochialism about the way Mr Cameron and Mr Osborne talk about the economy and the budget, as if they were shopkeepers doing the books. That might be a political ploy to win public support for cuts. Presumably, it is not ignorance of the issues. Whatever the reason, it is time for the coalition to broaden its economic horizons.'

greendragonreprised · 23/10/2010 09:30

There is a campaign to boycott the companies and brands of the 35 business people who have pubicly called for spending cuts. It is known as the Boycott Big Business Society campaign.

You can find the details at boycottbigbusinesssociety.blogspot.com/ .

Please feel free to join and contribute your ideas.

PlentyOfPockets · 23/10/2010 10:09

My DP works for one of these companies (not one of the familiar retail names). He finds out next week whether his job has survived the latest round of redundancies [hangry]

I think something gets missed in all the talk of public v private and who has it worst - it's not just public sector jobs that are disappearing, it's public services, which are there for everybody whether they work in the public or private sector. I don't believe we'll get these services back when things improve either.

I have no doubt that the crisis is real but this sort of "shock" economic therapy makes me suspect that there are those who view it as a very useful crisis.

JoeBauwens · 23/10/2010 20:02

Most if the businessmen who signed the letter to the Telegraph are specialists in aggressive take-overs rather than running their businesses which they tend to leave to other people. It is quite likely they figure they can take a hit to their revenues if the UK heads into a deeper recession, but that such a recession would give them the opportunity to acquire more UK assets.

emwi · 23/10/2010 22:41

I own a small business in a rural area and I am outraged that these multi-millionaires are supporting these cuts in the name of "business". They see an opportunity to make money because they want the private sector to take over public sector work and do it more "efficiently" by slashing people's salaries and benefits. They won't get what they want because not only will I and many others be boycotting their shops as much as possible but there won't be any money to pay the private sector to deliver the services either. The support for those in real need will simply disappear and it will be back to the riots, crime and misery of the 1980s all over again.

elkiedee · 24/10/2010 01:57

I'm really glad to see some private sector workers who recognise that these cuts are going to hit all of us hard. I imagine that lots of small businesses near where I work will just go to the wall.

1percentawake · 24/10/2010 20:36

greendragonreprised - an interesting link will have a look!

I don't think this was ever meant to be a public v private sector rant - more that these companies seem to have forgotten that cuts to the public sector are very likely to harm their business!

Have emailed many of these companies about 'the letter' and received some seriously grovelling replies. It obviously does worry marketing depts that their company view might be a tad harsh to those about to lose their jobs because of the so say 'fair' cuts....

MumNWLondon · 24/10/2010 21:48

mintyfresh - i am a corporate tax manager at a bank, and on monday last week i was at a banking tax conference, attended by tax managers and tax directors - most banks were represented.

Sadly, the reason why they can't just tax the banks more is that most of the banks profits are make from investment banking activities that could just as easily take place offshore. The banks are not making big profits out of high street banking (the bit that can't go offshore).

There was a panel discussion and tax directors from 4 leading financial instituations say they were thinking about moving offshore, and would do if the tax regime got any more onerous.

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