to think we should stop people bashing and think about how to get thru the next 5 - 15 years?

[bb99]

Does it help bitching talking about those evil people who are higher tax earners complaining about losing their CB? (and helping pay the welfare bill)

Does it help bemoaning those scroungers who are useless and sit around all day on their arses drinking champagne and cashing their benefit cheques?

Where is the sisterhood?

It's cheesy but we are really going to have to pull together for the next 5 - 15 years as all the cuts are going to be brutal and shocking after all the help we've all got used to over the last 10 years and unless you are able to bank off shore, then they'll probably affect you too.

FGS, let's stop stabbing each other in the back and embrace our (largely on here) femenine power. Do we need to accept that different people have different lifestyles ad that ALL their worries are actually valid?

Some people will be worse affected, usually the poor, usually because they get a bit more (rightly so) help from Auntie Government.

As sooo NOT a card carrying tru bluer, this does hurt to type, but we really do need to think 'big society' and how we can solve the hardships and weather these problems over the next few years...

Maybe we need a WW2 mentality?

I'll get my gas mask, if you get the air raid siren!

ARRRRGGGHHHHHHHHHH

It's really getting me down the way people are turning on each other. In RL, and here. It's just so horrible.

I find it shocking to see what some people think they are entitled to, or rather, what they think they should be entitled to.

No one owes you a god dam thing in this world, nothing is ever fair, so long as you can eat, sleep, live a relatively harm free life, i don't get why people are complaining so much.

Agree that this is divide and rule. The govt will start with the higher tax payers, but it will soon move on to everyone else. Meanwhile, because the higher tax payer has received little public sympathy, they in turn will have little sympathy when everyone else gets affected.

We will be so busy sniping at each other that the government will be able to dismantle our welfare system/NHS/everything else that makes this country nice, while we are distracted with our own personal woes.

It will be dog eat dog before long. Sometimes I wish I was French. They seem to put a stop to their governments taking the piss!

The only person I will be thinking about is myself. Just like a tory I suppose. That and my husband and soon to be born child.

I will carry on being vocal about what I think about all these cuts (generally I think it's all shit) but when it comes to day to day life all I can do is save where I can, spend less and get on with it.

OTTMumm, I complain because I feel entitled to have enough money to pay my bills and have a bit left over for nice things. I think that everyone in this country should be getting that standard of living.

We work hard and pay tax to benefit our families and others who cannot do this for themselves. I'm not resentful of that, but I am resentful at constantly getting squeezed to pay for things that are not my fault or that I disagree with.

Tis a bit galling to hear of CB cuts in the same week that Vodafone get let off a £7 million pound tax bill.

There would be less moaning, I think, if money was being redirected to, I don't know, cancer treatment or something, but it isn't. The govt are just taking it.

I think we should go back to bartering -

you know those on benefits could swap some of their fags and alcohol with some of the higher tax rate payers home grown organic parsnips.

Dig for Victory

What about us plebs with no garden crackfox?! Will someone think of us!?

If people stopped believing all the shite they read in the press ,maybe we would pull together more

But we have debts as a country Karma!
As a civilised society, we should pay them back.
This country has really done itself in, and it is our fault TBH.
We can't palm of whats happened on single people, thats not how this works.
Its all ME,ME,ME, these days, family not helping each other out, communities estranged from each other, its all wrong.

Im pretty sure most of us would agree that we don't NEED, ' nice things ', going without is not a question for some people, its just the way their lives are, like i said, so long as you have a home, are fed and healthy, i don't get really what is so bad about your life?

If you hate things that much, try to change them instead of bleeting on about it.
Everyone says the same things but nothing changes, everyone looks to the next person to make a change.

I didn't vote for this govt OTTMumma. I also recall them making promises prior to the election that they have broken. Hard to know how to make decisions about a party when they lie.

There is nothing wrong with wanting nice things (for myself and everyone else). However when Cameron and his govt give up their 'nice' things I might see being asked/told to make sacrifices as a little more fair.

This isn't about paying back the countries debt. The govt could do that by making banks repay loans, not allowing large businesses to get out of their tax payments etc. This is about dismantling the welfare state

'Auntie Government' was a pretty nasty comment I thought, and patronising.

The government is THERE to look after the common interests of this country, to support all and discriminate against none.

The conservatives are building a golden tomb and are sealing us in it with them.

Threads like this are, sadly, pointless. All the lefties shout loudly and then all the Tories shout a bit too. No-one listens to each other and someone ends up having a right bitch about another poster.

Same old same old.

I always view my government as a kind family member - if you are in need they clothe, feed, doctor or look after you (at the moment)

Stop looking for bad things Hedgeblunder - maybe we all need to take things in the spirit they are intended (ie not bitchy)

bigfoot - you are right. bit like a lot of the threads here ATM.

Point made.

No sisterhood

No pulling together

No femenine power

Dog eat dog

Modern society...

I'm not looking for bad things thanks

Sorry bb99 - I didnt mean to be so dismissive of your OP, and you are right.

Most forums (not just MN), have turned into right old bitchfests lately.

A WWII spirit is a great idea. But remember WWII was also a time of ration books. People got the basics guarranteed-some could buy extra on the black market, that is true-you didn't get such a huge gaping difference in living standards between the classes.

There is a big difference between asking a family to forego their annual holiday abroad, brand new plasma TV, and Ipad, and asking another poorer family to give up paying for shoes and basic clothing, or even heating and decent food.

However, criticising and bitch fighting isn't going to help anyone. I don't mind people getting ahead, and being a success etc. I'm no communist. I don't think we should all earn the same. I simply worry about getting to the end of the month without going overdrawn. And therefore I get a bit peeved when I am told I should tighten my belt, there really isn't very much I could cut back on. Perhaps my son's 1hr Rugby, 1/2hr swimming lesson, etc... But then, isn't that the definition of relative poverty? My son will be excluded from learning something important. Am I being unreasonable? Am I demanding too many rights? Easy for those who do not have to mortgage their children's futures to say.

I still think we should swap our resources around - I've give half a pack of baccy to someone on a high income in exchange for a couple of bits of organic home grown veg

We need more people like you then riven, sadly you are a dying breed.

MaMoTTaT- we do this, We live in a retierment area and are the only young couple here, I often help paint neighbours fences, wash 2 old ladies conservatory windows, and another ladies tiled kitchen floor and do a round of hoovering upstairs for them every now and then, my husband often changes plugs and clear guttering for some of the elderly couples who are housebound etc.
We don't ask for anything as payment but in return we get some coupons, numerous cakes, old cookery books, stale bread for our DS to feed to the ducks, cuttings for our garden, this summer i helped weed an allotment, took my son, learned something new and got plenty of veg for out dinners.
This winter one neighbour is going to teach me to knit and sew properly.
I feel very happy living here, and the lovely people here ( who happen to be much older ) have made me see things how they should be.
I feel sorry for the next generation when this type of living will be non existant unless we all change our attitudes.