to think people who say 'i pay tax so i want something back' are duh brains?

[CerealOffender]

you are aware that tax is spent on schooling, nhs etc etc, so in fact you do get quite alot back?

and that tax is not a cashback purchase?

oh and the folk whinging on about their parents rolling around naked in a sea of 50 quid notes while their hard earned taxes fund their central heating can eff off too.

But what if one goes private in health and education?

ffs

then one probably won't miss the relatively small amount of money that constitutes tax, i would imagine. (compared to the £££££'s you spend on private healthcare and schooling)

not entirely .

schooling - private school
nhs - from time to time and fortunately no health crises, dd was born abroad, non-nhs dentist
benefits - only CB, no Tax Credits, CTF or pregnancy related payments
EYFS - ds didn't get this, was abroad at 3/4 and not sure if scheme was even around then, dd got 3 terms' worth

but when my position disappears in the cutbacks I guess I might claim JSA

Can assure you than pils and my dad/partner could survive without the fuel payments too

Even if you never use a hospital or a road or a school, that's not what tax is about.

Think of it as Robin Hood - take it from people who can afford it, give it to people who need it.

You aren't supposed to "get your money's worth".

Rollmops - there is no private A&E as yet to my knowledge. I suppose you never drive on a motorway? Wouldn't want the police to come round if you had a burglary?

Cereal - I agree.

I want Clubcard points. Why not?

i despair, i am really saddened by the sheer selfishness this cut has exposed.

at the v. least you must be pleased your cleaner is kept well by the nhs or do you really not give a shite about anyone else

It's a savings scheme innit? I is entitled.

Traffic lights. Pedestrian crossings. Bin men. Street lights. Libraries. The BBC. Swimming baths. Some playgroups. Police, ambulance, fire, coastguard rescue services. Pavements. Parks and playgrounds.

Those are some of the things you benefit from directly. Indirectly you benefit from people who are state educated providing you with journalism, novels, scientific inventions, computers, medical discoveries and not having hoards of feral children rampaging through your nice areas because they have nothing to do all day.

YADNBU, CerealOffender. The sense of selfish entitlement on here is break-taking.

No wonder Margaret Thatcher said there is no such thing as society. Nor community by the sounds of it.

I don't think it's selfishness to bemoan the loss of CB.
Our parents got it whether they were rich or poor, we paid towards it through our taxes whether rich or poor.
The whole point of it was that it was a universal benefit.

I still remeber going to the post office with my Mum to cash the 'Family Allowence'as it was known then.
It was an important part of Mum's income as she only worked part time. My Dad's salary would have been too high to qualify for it now.

why cut against families? Why not just tax all higher earners a little more?

Not break-taking. That is clearly a Freudian slip on my part!

I meant 'breath-taking' obviously

it is sad about cb cut but my gripe is with the attitude expressed in the thread title.

and by the way YABVU to call people 'Duh brains' just because they don't happen to agree with you. :(

"But what if one goes private in health and education?" Then it's possible that one earns ones income from eploying a workforce who have been educated in the state system in order to work for you, and that because of the NHS you do not have to - unllike U.S employers - provide them with a private healthcare plan, or else you pay the at a lower rate with the NHS there to keep them in tip top condition to bring in your profits.

Traffic lights. Pedestrian crossings. Bin men. Street lights. Libraries. The BBC. Swimming baths. Some playgroups. Police, ambulance, fire, coastguard rescue services. Pavements. Parks and playgrounds.
and
Roads, armed forces, a democratic parliamentary system, courts of law, Embassies abroad, The Borders Agency, Agencies to re-build after floods, flood prevention...

Weeeellll .... I do expect something back, if I'm honest. And I get it: education, NHS, etc. However, I wish there was more help available now that we actually need it. DH was made redundant last November and has claimed nothing so far. Yesterday he spoke to the benefits office who told him he wasn't entitled to anything because he "earned too much last year". And yet he's earned nothing for 11 months. And has spent 22 years paying in.

So despite having worked hard since leaving uni and having paid his dues, there is nothing for him to tide him over when he needs it.

But I haven't read all the previous posts and I'm sure someone will immediately jump on me because the above was a bit of a selfish rant. Go ahead - I can take it!

Sorry I assumed you were referring to the CB cuts...
People saying they'd paid their taxes so wanted something i.e CB, back for it.

I think I can see where you're coming from, CerealOffender, but your OP closes down/doesn't express how I feel.

I'm not happy about the loss of a universal benefit, just because that's what it was. I don't think that means I'm selfish. Please don't misinterpret my outrage. And outraged I am. I think it made the govt. pennies, and was window-dressing to mask a swingeing assault on the public sector and benefits. So I am well pissed off.

And I pay tax and I do want something back. I want a public sector, for everyone. I don't think wanting something for your tax is bad at all. Taxes used to go to fund the King's ego, it's a testament to democracy that a good chunk of taxes go to society in general. So I'm not giving up my voice asking for "something back", though I want that in the form of public goods, and aid to create a stable, and (in my dreams) a less unequal society.

yanbu-

It is now clear, that the vast majority on here who profess to have left-wing views and say 'oh yes, taxes must rise for the better off to help the poor', actually mean 'taxes must rise for everyone better off than me'.

I voted Tory, I'm still glad I did even though I don't agree with the way that this is being dealt with - the unfairness of the proposals which would leave households with hugely bigger incomes retaining a benefit that lower earning households would lose upsets me hugely and I've e-mailed my MP about it. She is DWP Minister so will maybe have some influence.

Equally saddening are all the 'well we only earn X much, how can you possibly need more than that you greedy buggers' comments.

I expect something back for all the money I pay in tax per yr...but mostly get it. I get roads, transport, police, nhs service, libraries, surestart centres, public parks, street lighting, Citizens Advice, E111 forms, free dental care when pregnant...i might not USE all those but they are available thanks to the £ i pay and millions of others pay. Taxpayers do have a right to have a say about how tax is spent, we do have a right to disagree with vast amounts being spent on something we disagree with and we have a right to want access to what our money supposedly pays for.

We have as much right to access to those services as people who do not pay tax. It does not make us Duh Brains, but contributors to our society.

and I agree with those who suggest this is the beginning of an attack of the welfare state itself not just a benefits/tax debate. The whole point of it was to have a level of care and education accessible to all. Our NHS system is still envied by many developed countries.