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to think the CB abolition has had an effect a bit like kicking an ants' nest

257 replies

OrmRenewed · 04/10/2010 14:14

on MN Grin

And the calls for 'someone else' ie the elderly, to have their benefits cut have started already.

I have very little nice to say about the Tories but if they have to make cuts, I'd rather CB went than see cuts in other areas. It seems a reasonable place to start.

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SanctiMoanyArse · 04/10/2010 20:39

OK can I change my agreement to planned to pay with your IS?

yes.

Thats what I agreed with (didnt make the riginal sattemnt)

not saying 2 on IS is wrong- but largfer famillies to me come under treats with holidays, poshc ar etc.... youn have if oyu are working.

thereisalightanditnevergoesout · 04/10/2010 20:43

Hosptials also had MRSA under the last Conservative government. I'm not sure you can really dump that on Gordon Brown along with everything else.

mamatomany · 04/10/2010 20:44

I don't know if i agree with even income support because at the time you made the decision to have number 3 or 4 or 8 you did so with the knowledge available at the time, you can't send the child/ren back so the rug shouldn't be pulled out from under them.

bigchris · 04/10/2010 20:47

again sorry for any offence caused xstitch
it's easy to spount on a forum like this and forget about all the differing circumstances people find themselves in
if I'd found myself with twins we'd probably have had to sell up and move to a smaller house, already live ina shoebox though so that would have been hard, couldn;t have afforded 3 x childcare costs

SanctiMoanyArse · 04/10/2010 21:00

huh? I mean only if you knew nyou would only ever claim not earn at conception.

Absolutely if it comes after.....

BeenBeta · 04/10/2010 21:19

I posted a fair bit on the other thread and TBH did not get the sense that anyone was complaining about the cut in CB. What we were complaining about was the way it has been done and especially that it wil be taken away from a family with one earner on £45k but a family earning up to £88k joint will keep their CB.

My family is in the second category. We will keep our CB, we are far better off than people on £45k living in the South East. For that reason I am complaining. I think people on less income than me are being treated unfairly. I would be happy to give up CB if the money is spent wisely and everyone is sharing fairly in the pain of cuts.

I do also want to see benefits to pensioners capped. My own PILs have been on 4 holidays this year based on a farly low end public sector pension plus their benefits. Some pensioners call their winter fuel allowance 'drinks money' when they go on holiday to Spain in winter months.

Young people have no chance in this country who have bothered to go to University and neither do families where one parent goes out to work and earns a reasonable wage enough to buy a house in a half decent area and the other is SAHP.

It is not people wingeing about their CB being cut. It is the horribly unfair way it is being done that people object to. I am a Tory voter and am disgusted about the way this policy will be implemented. It is fast turning into the The Coalition's version of the 'Labour 10p tax debacle'.

It has to be changed so that family income is properly taken into account and not in this slap dash way.

CardyMow · 04/10/2010 21:25

I don't see how it can be too expensive to eficiently means test CB...the system is already in place, and being used to means test Tax credits on the basis of household income, so why not pay it through the HMRC??!!

CardyMow · 04/10/2010 21:31

What I am trying to say (badly) is that while the cuts won't affect me, due to DP's crappy income, if the government transferred the overseeing of CB to the HMRC, who already have everyone's income details anyway, it surely wouldn't increase the burecratic costs by much when they already administer the TC's? Then it would be very easy to set a limit of, say £45K household income, above which, you weren't entitled to ANY means tested benefits. All done badly by the HMRC.

SanctiMoanyArse · 04/10/2010 21:36

LL I satted that hours ago so I totally agree

But I do wonder if the reluctance to do so is a hint that the tax credits themselves are a dated payment?

TheCrackFox · 04/10/2010 21:36

I would suggest they don't want to do that because they are planning to get rid of tax credits.

thereisalightanditnevergoesout · 04/10/2010 21:39

Well, if it's going to take until 2013 to cut CB, then just think how long it'll take to get rid of CTC, too. At least another couple of years and hopefully by then, no one will vote for them again.

SanctiMoanyArse · 04/10/2010 21:40

They'll shocve them under universal credit too.

And bringing that in will cost ££££££ so nobody will able to afford to undo them.

TheCrackFox · 04/10/2010 21:44

Yes, it is all starting to look rather terrifying. Everybody (not just higher earners) is going to be worse off.

SanctiMoanyArse · 04/10/2010 21:45

I am praying for two years for dh to qualify.

I don't think we will get it.

fledtoscotland · 04/10/2010 21:46

I agree with Riven - £44k is a lot of money even if one parent is a SAHP. I think the average salary in the UK as a whole in 2009 was about £26k.

Everyone will agree the benefits system needs to be brought up to date and looking at CB is a starting point. Surely if you earn £44k, you don't need another £20 per week?

CardyMow · 04/10/2010 21:46

But if they do away with Tax credits, then families like mine where DP earns so litle, will just have to give up work and be on benefits, as £16K on it's own cannot support a family (of ANY size). But I do concur, that is most probably why they won't pay CB through the HMRC, I really DO think they are going to try to get rid of TC's. Sad.

hallamoo · 04/10/2010 21:56

fledtoscotland - I agree, 44k is alot of money if you live in Scotland, where house prices are lower, the general cost of living is lower, no tuition fees if your kids go to uni etc.

However, if you live in the south east, 44k is not as much, especially if you live in a rural area and have to run 2 cars, house prices are ridiculously expensive, even for a modest sized house and the cost of living is generally alot higher.

Having said that, I'm in favour of it being means tested, but in a fairer way, i.e. that people on double our income won't get it either. As the proposal stands, we won't get it, but a family earning almost double our income will.

I agree with whoever said, do it through the HMRC TC system.

SanctiMoanyArse · 04/10/2010 21:56

No, I think TC's will be factored into Universal Credit: they said that it will taperwith work.

Much as I dislike Tories i dont think they are planning that (yet Wink)

newwave · 04/10/2010 21:57

Osborne said at last years conference he would not withdraw CB and it would remain universal as did several Tories during the election campaign.

So Osborne is a proven liar which does not suprise me as i expect Tories to lie and generally to be scum suckers, what does piss me off is that I am a lifelong LD voter but I wont doing that again.

Still me can have Trident so all is not lost

You Tories must be very proud

fledtoscotland · 04/10/2010 22:06

Hallamoo - Edinburgh is actually no cheaper than SE England. House prices are very high, petrol and food costs the same, council tax is generally higher, and clothes cost the same so am not entirely sure why you think its cheaper to live "up north".

amarone · 04/10/2010 22:10

newwave they said that before knowing the extent of devastation to the country's finances was known...

You think Labour has left a good legacy?

ivykaty44 · 04/10/2010 22:13

If you really want to hurt this goverment, then stop driving for a week and don't put petrol in the car, give up smoking and cut the tax you pay Wink

newwave · 04/10/2010 22:20

amarone, Every goverment in Europe has the same problems, is Labour resposible for all of them?.
If it wasnt for Brown then the whole banking system may have collapsed.

As for the devestation, lets look at it, our borrowings have a repayment period of 14 years so it wasnt neccessary to repay over one parliment but it suits the likes of Osborne and "Dave" to inflict financial sado-masochistic hurt on the lower earning general population whilst shielding his fellow millionairs.

Never forget the Bankers caused this problem but yet again they have their snouts in the trough with the approval, it seems of thne ConDems, they may mouth weasel words but they wont stop them.

Anyone who is not rich and votes Tory is an ........

ArcticRoll · 04/10/2010 22:31

YANBU
I will lose CB and tbh think that this is fair.
I think the changes should be brought in immediately and not delay until 2013.
Interesting that the cuts which will hit the poorest and most vulnerable will start immediately but the ones which will hit Middle England won't kick in for some time!

newwave · 04/10/2010 22:33

That is because the Tories dont give a shit about the "poor and vulnerable" never have and never will, it's part of their DNA.

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