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Who's unreasonable? Me, Mum or DP?

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TottWriter · 11/09/2010 12:47

So, I've always had a somewhat...fractious relationship with my mum. I'm not a particularly tidy person, she really is. I had DS a week before my 21st, and had moved in with DP, who has depression, a month before. DS is now 2.5, and DD is 8wks.

Our house is still cluttered and rather untidy, but it is a tiny 2up 2down, and there's not enough room to put everything. So there are still boxes of books under beds, and DS's toys take up a lot of space in the living room (which opens out onto the street, we don't have a hall). The house is also very dark and gloomy, and recently I've been trying to find ways to brighten it up a bit, spurred by the arrival of DD.

Anyway, DS threw a massive tantrum the other day after our P&T group, and I was semi-proud of myself for staying utterly calm while he rolled around on the pavement saying he didn't want to go home. (It was the first session back after the holidays) I called my mum, and mentioned it. She instantly said, "Oh, you know why that happened, don't you?" and went off on one saying he didn't want to be in our house because it's so dark and untidy, and when he gets older he's going to compare our house to those of his friends and basically resent us for being messy.

I can't remember precisely how the rest of the conversation went, but it was essentially that my house is filthy, and I'm a bad parent for not tidying it up more. Now, my DC are healthy and happy, and Ds has thrown plenty of tantrums because he didn't want to leave the house. He was just tired and cranky. (eek, that sounds very defensive!) So I know I can't be doing things that badly. But it upset me so much that I actually cried afterwards. I did my usual "yes mum" on the phone to get by until DS thankfully needed a nappy change and I could get away.

I mentioned this to DP, and, this being the latest in a line of jibes at how we live, he got annoyed, particularly by how much it upset me. She says things like this every time I see her or mention changes I'm making in the house - such as us buying a new bed, or getting DS a bigger chest of drawers she pipes up about other things we sohuld change, like moving our (somewhat extensive) DVD collection upstairs and using the space to store DS's toys so that we have the living room 'back' of an evening. (Frankly, I don't mind DS's toys sitting in the corner, and I've told her this, but she keeps on.) DP reckons I need to stand up for myself more, and tell her what she's said is hurtful and out of order, but, frankly, I often wonder if it's worth all the hassle. She lives a long way away, and I only see her once or twice a year. And she's my mum. I do get on with her in small doses, as long as I can steer the concversation away from the house (or DP's health - that's a whole other story). So I still haven't said anything about how she's making me feel, despite her having been nagging me for being untidy since... well, literally my whole life. It just seems easier not to because then she'll start moaning about me to my brother and sister (who still live with her) and it would be rotten to make them have to sit through that. Anyway, the upshot of all this is that DP doesn't really want her in the house again (she does live about 6 hours away, so this isn't likely to crop up much), and has said that if she does come round again, he's going to be out of the house while she's here.

Is he overreacting? Is my mum? Am I? TBH, she's been like this all my life and I'm just used to screaming at her in my head but smiling sweetly and then ignoring all her 'advice'. I never quite seem to have the nerve to shout back.

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StewieGriffinsMom · 11/09/2010 12:54

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CarGirl · 11/09/2010 12:58

You mother was down right rude and offensive to the point where she made you cry. Your Mum was being completely unreasonable and I'm not surprised your dp was so angry with her.

If you want some storage tips ask away I'm now an expert in solutions for tiny homes!

LoveBeingOnEbay · 11/09/2010 12:59

So you've never told her it upsets you? You say yes mum? How does she know she's making you cry then? I am sure its not as simple as that, my point is if you have never said anything t her you cant expect her to change. That said if you did say something of course she may not change anyway but at least you have got it off your chest.

LoveBeingOnEbay · 11/09/2010 13:00

cargirl I'll have you tips Grin

TottWriter · 11/09/2010 13:09

@ LoveBeingOnEbay - yeah, I know I really ought to say something, but I just never know how to bring it up. It always seems easier just to let her say her thing and then ignore her. I have confronted her a little in the past, and she blows up even more. I dreaded the lectures I got from her when I lived with her, and now that I'm not, it just seems unfair to inflict them on my brother and sister - and yes, she will moan at them about me; she moans to me about my sister all the time. I could hang up the phone if I felt like it, but they can't walk away because she just follows you.

I know I need to now though - before it was petty jibes like "You're just like your father" (long story, but he's not that bad so I didn't mind), but she's basically saying I'm harming my DS by my actions now, which is why DP doesn't want her around. (DP's dislike of her was made worse by her saying I should leave him on more than one occasion - notably just after we found out I was pregnant with DS.)

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pjmama · 11/09/2010 13:14

"Mum - I am a grown up and how I choose to keep my house is none of your business. If you continue to criticize, I'm going to hang up the phone."

Stick up for yourself lass and let her moan to whoever she likes!! Wink

CarGirl · 11/09/2010 13:14

Basically you need to be ruthless, anything you don't need sell/get rid of if you really need to keep it store in loft.

Secondly use the height of your rooms.

So we have really high chests of drawers, we have 2 rails in some of our wardrobes - first it was when the dds were really young they had some sort of mdf wardrobe so we just put in a 2nd rail half way down and got rid of the 2nd wardrobe. Now in your bedroom we have a built in wardrobe with sliding doors and 2/3 has 2 rails - dh has the high one (he's really tall) and I have the low one and in the other 1/3 there is a single rail for long dresses etc. Toy and child stuff storage use the really tall ikea trofast system - use the top containers for stuff to keep out of reach/toy rotation and there is still enough room to put stuff on top.

Also you don't need lots and lots of clothes especially if you wash frequently. I wash and am there when machine is finished all things that go on hangers go straight on hangers, go on line or dining area curtain pole to dry and then away, so no piles of clean washing - plus I don't need to iron, just socks and pants to sort out Grin

TottWriter · 11/09/2010 13:17

@Cargirl - ironically, this sort of thing is exactly what I'm about to start doing (pending arrival of proper storage). Mind, we don't actually have a loft, or an understairs cupboard, so storage will all be underbed or on top of other furniture. It's a really titchy house.

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CarGirl · 11/09/2010 13:20

well be really really ruthless then - anything my dds didn't play with got chucked, I think there was research saying the can't with more than x to choose from anyway which is why toy rotation works so well. So huge high toy storage in their bedrooms and just bring a couple of crates downstairs at a time.

Our CD.s and DVDS are on wall hung shelves to give more floor space. We have no built in storage but we did have a loft until that had to be turned into a bedroom!

BabyDubsEverywhere · 11/09/2010 13:22

hmmm, me and my DH have been here, to a lesser degree and the other way around. His family dont treat him very well, Id say dreadfully but he wouldnt agree. He is used to the way his family interact with each other and particulary him, so to him, like you and your mom, its just not a major deal breaker. However to outsiders, its not on at all and will seem quite shocking that a phone call to your mom to discuss the day can leave you in tears - this is not NORMAL OR HEALTHY! I can totally see your DPs side of things, as i feel the same with my DH, it really is crushing to see someone you love be treated badly, even more so when its by someone whos supposed to love them unconditionally! Sad

StewieGriffinsMom · 11/09/2010 13:24

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CarGirl · 11/09/2010 13:28

My sliding door wardrobes are as shallow as they could be and still get an extra large coathanger in - saved about 7cm on all the freestanding ones and loads more goes in them, it's the first time we have more rail space than we actually need :o)

zipzap · 11/09/2010 14:35

What would happen if you told her that it is her fault you are so messy - that it is a reaction against the way that her unhealthy over-tidiness made everybody around her (and her by the sound of it) so unhappy?

atswimtwolengths · 11/09/2010 14:37

First, I think your mother was very unkind, speaking to you like that. She should have known what she was saying would upset you and particularly given the distance, this wasn't a fair thing to say.

However, I do think that our environments affect our mood. I have relatives who suffer from depression and one sign that they were sinking was that their homes became more unkempt and cluttered. And everyone knows that a good clear out and a thorough clean of a room brightens up our mood, even though we don't want to do it in the first place because of the amount of effort involved.

I do think it's better for children if their homes are less cluttered and are brighter. It's hard for them to appreciate their toys if they are all over the place.

Is there any way you can do something about your house? I appreciate that it costs money to decorate etc and maybe finances are tight, but is there anything you can do to make your house less gloomy and cluttered?

I hope you don't think I'm being critical. I just know how a messy environment affects my mood and how much better I feel if I sort everything out.

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