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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To say, "WHAT?! No. NO!! Have you lost your MIND??!?!"

42 replies

ThisIsntMe · 31/08/2010 13:00

I have a tale to tell. It is unlikely those involved will see it, but just in case I have name changed. I desperately need some advice.

My cousin separated from her DH some years ago, and has brought her daughters up alone, with some support from their father. They are 12 and 15. They visit their father every other weekend; he's an OK chap, and loves them, but has rather a tempestuous relationship with his partner (violent from both sides, so I gather) and can be argumentative, and often drunk and/or stoned. The girls find it a troublesome and unsettling atmosphere, but love their Dad.

8 years ago, my cousin had 3 dates with a chap we'll call Bill. It didn't quite work out, and she moved in with another man. She separated from him recently. He had been her daughters' stepfather for seven years.

Last month, my cousin travelled to New Zealand to see her brother, and took her daughters with her. Whilst there, she hooked up with Bill, after an 8 year hiatus. She claims she didn't know he'd be there (which I doubt, but perhaps she is telling the truth), when in fact he is her brother's neighbour and close friend. I understand from her daughters that rather than spend time with her brother, whom she had travelled so far to see, my cousin spent every other night with Bill, and many of the days.

She returned from NZ last weekend - and she says that she is going to move to NZ to be with Bill. There has been a great deal of the usual "I have never felt this way before" business, and "Shall I show you his picture?", followed by soppy shot of two smiling middle-aged people on her iPhone. Her daughters are in school, and are adamant that they will not move to the other side of the world, leaving behind their father, their grandparents, their friends etc. The elder daughter is particularly devastated and not speaking to her mother, and has moved in with her father. The younger daughter said to me, "I just can't believe it. It's like we don't matter at all."

My cousin says that if her daughters refuse to go, she will leave them, and move to NZ to be with Bill. Bear in mind that she had 3 dates with him 8 years ago, and since then has known him for a month. They would move in with their father, whose home life they find rather threatening and unstable, and who would suddenly have five children living in a small house.

I understand that one can be swept off one's feet; it has happened to me. I understand the power and overwhelming sensation of sexual attraction. I understand that there are reasons we all still read Madame Bovary and Jane Eyre. But this isn't a novel; this isn't even Hollyoaks. This is the possibility that two youngsters will lose their mother, for a childish infatuation that may fade within eighteen months. I am 32 years old and sometimes I need my Mum, and she lives 50 miles away, and it seems to far.

Furthermore, it struck me this morning that this cannot be a good man. Who would ask a mother to leave her children several thousand miles behind? He should practically forbid it, if he has any compassion or wisdom.

She has asked my opinion. I want to say, "Are you totally off your rocker? You're really going to leave your children on the other side of the world for an infatuation with a man whom you hardly know? Have you any idea how selfish you sound?!"

AIBU?

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smellmycheese · 31/08/2010 13:34

YANBU but I would def meet him when he comes here. You might find that all your worries are true and he is a total tool (in which case you'll have a more educated view when arguing the toss with her)

or...

He could be a good guy, who either doesn't know she is prepared to leave her children, or has been convinced by her that its the right thing to do. If this is the case then you'll be there to put him straight.

EricNorthmansmistress · 31/08/2010 14:17

YANBU, what a twat. I can't bear people like that. I know a woman who has discovered a whole new lease of life at 40. She's out clubbing, drugging, hanging out with/sleeping with girls of 22. She has a 19yo and a 10yo. She gets the 19yo to buy drugs for her and the 10yo is a wee brat. Her attitude to her kids is, pretty much verbatim, 'I love them but this is my journey' well fuck that. Once you have kids they are your journey, even if you can't be the resident parent, your priority should always be their happiness.

BTW - 'But this isn't a novel; this isn't even Hollyoaks.' best MN quote I have seen in a while!

ChippingIn · 31/08/2010 16:43

YANBU to think it
YWBD (Daft) to say it - you catch more flies with honey than tar!

Talk to her, just friendly chit chat, ask how her plans are going, what her plans are....

See if you can find out:

  • When 'Bill' is coming
  • How long he's staying
  • What he does in NZ
  • What his committments are in NZ
  • What he thinks about the girls going/not going
  • How she intends to get a viss
  • When she intends to go
  • When she would be booking her ticket

Get as much 'info' as you can - then decide exactly how to 'tackle it'. The last thing that you want to do is get 'off side' with her and push her more towards 'loves young dream'.

Keep us posted!

Ariesgirl · 31/08/2010 16:52

You should definitely tell her and also try and make her see that she has family who will miss her terribly if she goes, her cousins and siblings as well as her daughters. The thought of moving to NZ or Aus is a lovely one if you have had a great time there, but when it comes to actually moving and emigrating and cutting adrift your entire life - well, it's not a decision to be undertaken lightly. If she needs her family, that is a minimum of a thirteen hour flight away and it's terribly isolating, not matter how infatuated she is with Bill. She's having some sort of crisis I think.

Is she the sort of person who reacts badly to having guilt trips laid on her? Because if so, you may have to be quite subtle about it.

Those were the reasons I decided not to go ahead with my visa app to NZ, and I was 23 with no children. Sorry can't be of more help. Good luck xx

BalloonSlayer · 31/08/2010 16:52

A friend of mine who is MIGHTILY intelligent (was a gifted child, has a doctorate, I can't keep up in coversations with her, she also teacher self-esteem classes to women etc etc) left her home country with her two children to marry a man she had never even met. This was before the internet, their contact was by letter and telephone.

Reader, she married him, he turned out to be a complete nutter and she and her young DDs had to flee - she felt - for their lives.

Still at least I got to meet her, which I wouldn't have done had she had access to her powerful intellect when it mattered. Hmm

LittleMissHissyFit · 31/08/2010 17:53

There are times that words fail us utterly.

This is one of those times Thisisntme, Nothing else for it other than to slap her, hoping that she will lose regain her faculties and realise that abandoning her DDs is just criminal.

Find her passport and burn it. If need be, have her sectioned..

Can someone actually call this Bill and ask him if he actually knows what this woman is about to do. Can someone call her brother in NZ?

Something has to be done, those DC are too young to be left like that, and dumped for a bloke to be moved into a dad they are not really that day to day close with, at that particular age? DISASTER!

TiraMissYou · 31/08/2010 18:19

YANBU. Go with your gut instinct and say it. She probably won't like it, but hopefully she knows you and that you love her and her daughters.

My cousin married a man whom some of us had reservations about, but she was/is such an independent chick, we held our tongues, figured she'd made an adult decision. It didn't end well.

Regret not saying it, she wishes some of us had said it...

minipie · 31/08/2010 18:34

YANBU. Say it - she asked for your opinion.

She probably knows she is being ridiculous through her hormone fuelled fog and is hoping that you will back her up.

ThisIsntMe · 31/08/2010 18:43

Thanks so much for all this, you chaps. I was worried I was being somehow too stern and judgeypants, but glad to see 'snot necessarily the case. Chipping, that's such a good idea - I think when she's presented with a list as long as her arm of practicalities that need to be got through, then maybe that will at least pierce the hormone-fog (damn straight minipie!)

I'm a bit worried that I'm not going to have a chance to talk to her properly again - there's a close family bond, but we don't actually see each other very often. Her brother knows about it and hasn't actually been anything like as forthright as I would have expected, which really REALLY surprises and rather disappoints me. I think maybe he'll just think, well, I'll have my sister over (they used to be much closer than any of the other brothers and sisters), and that will cloud judgement...

But you know what, the more I think about it, the more think God above, why is she even ASKING?!?!?! It's so OBVIOUSLY wrong I don't even see how there's a debate! She'd wreck her relationship with her kids forever. Forever! I cannot see how it would survive! All for a shag! Oh I'm winding myself up now...

Promise to keep y'all updated.

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ChippingIn · 31/08/2010 19:18

She has already done major damage to her relationships with her girls - I hope you are able to stop her making it so much worse :(

If you can, try to find a way to go and see her - it's important.

Yeah, please let us know how it goes.

tribpot · 31/08/2010 19:30

Absolutely astounding behaviour. Why on earth can this Bill not come to the UK?

cumfy · 31/08/2010 22:56

Why (apart from the weather) is Bill not coming over here ?

ThisIsntMe · 31/08/2010 22:59

I have no idea (re. Bill remaining in NZ). He has a job, but there are, so I am given to understand, avenues of employment available here in the UK Hmm.

Incidentally, he has a daughter over here. . . (new fact I have just discovered).

I am heartened to discover that every other member of the family feels the same, and so we will all be passing on the same advice, so I feel bolstered from the essential MN perspective and in RL too...

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Quattrocento · 31/08/2010 23:12

This sort of stuff happens when middle-aged people have reasonable sex so she has consequently lost her mind and forgotten her parental obligations (we all know how dull parental obligations can be, but still).

Generally non-interventionist by inclination but i really do think you should tell her that she's lost her mind. Buy her a vibrator and tell her to forget dear Bill

lemonysweet · 01/09/2010 09:59

what quattrocento said.

the 'buy her a vibrator' bit.

it sounds like a complete trainwreck tbh. and im really wondering what Bill feels about it all...

GetOrfMoiLand · 01/09/2010 10:02

Christ.

Agree with everyone who says just tell her 'you are off your rocker'.

Selfish, damaging behaviour.

charley24 · 01/09/2010 10:05

It's sad but it happens. My mother left me at 16 and took my 8 year old sister to shack up with a new boyfriend. They married, house sale was forced and I ended up living in a flat in a very rough area. I have fended for myself for all these years.

I know she loves me, but she just put him first and thought I was old enough to have my own life.

Bear in mind she just upped and left one day with no warning, no signs, no signals, she had been having an affair.

Be there for your nieces, it's hard and no doubt they will have issues with feelings of rejection.

I have forgiven my Mum for the hurt, but now I am a Mum I can't imagine putting a man first.

Seems like you could talk to her and maybe make her see how difficult it will be for her children, familing that just be there for your nieces x

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