To think the majority of those convicted of serious violent offences are mentally ill?

[AgentZigzag]

I've always been of the opinion that the majority of people who commit the most serious violent crimes are suffering from mental illness in some form or other.

This shouldn't be taken as a connection between mental illness and violence as I also think that most people with a mental illness don't commit crime and aren't violent, but rather that most people who have committed a serious crime are mentally ill.

Just taking Peter Sutcliffe as an example, how can it possibly be argued that somebody who has done what he did be anything other than mentally ill? In my mind 'sane' people don't go hitting women round the head with a ball pein hammer.

This is only my opinion, and I'm not posting to cause offence to anyone who has had any experience of violent crime, but I'd be interested to hear what you think?

stop shouting.what are you saying wirth wiki links and increasing indignation?

Don't tell me to stop shouting.

Christ, get over yourself.

Yes, I shouldn't have wiki linked, but I didn't really want to over-google the paedophilia diagnosis thing!
It is a medical condition, therefore linked to a mental diagnosis.

Of course paedophiles are mentally ill.. dear lord.
I'm not speaking from a 'filthy fucking perves wanting to fiddle with little kids daily mail' perspective. btw, just so you know I'm not some kind of reactionary twat.

What's your area of expertise in this subject?

WhenKevin

The article you cite references very interesting study
90% very violent offenders have MI history

Authors used Swedish data which enabled 100% tracking of all offenders prior medical history.

Basically, when highly accurate "trace and track" attribution is conducted it does appear that such offenders are found to have significant previously diagnosed mental health disorders.

Either that, or all Scandinavians are loons.

It's a shame that in our shouting match a post like that of Lynli's has been overlooked
sorry.

I think she's said everything that I've been trying to.

think you will find only one shouting is you

Must be lonely up there on your pedestal.

you SHOUT and get het up and i have a problem.go look up projection

I shouted because despite repeating myself in several posts, you didn't seem to see it.

Not het up in the slightest, just attempting to get you to read the other posts. That's all.

Again, what is your area of expertise?

if by "dont see it" you mean we dont concur- correctamundo

and?

No, I meant that you hadn't seen it. with your eyes.

Ah, the the link I've been searching for:
www.who.int/classifications/icd/en/GRNBOOK.pdf

Fine that you don't agree with me! I don't care.. what I don't understand is the inflexibility.

^^that paper's very interesting.

Errr, sorry to butt in you 2, but can whoever leaves last remember to mop up the blood. Thx.

lame. v lame

???? why is that lame?

What SM said.

And thank you so much for lumping offenders with the likes of people who struggle daily with mental illness but manage not to break the law.

Yawn.

Loser.

Douchebag.

expat, as I've said above, I struggle with a mental illness.

Don't insult me please.

[realises that was probably aimed at the OP and is being oversensitive]

'And thank you so much for lumping offenders with the likes of people who struggle daily with mental illness but manage not to break the law.'

I disagree totally with that, nowhere on this thread has anyone suggested that people who are struggling daily with mental illness are more likely to break the law than any other person.

I know I've said I disagree with that statement at least three times, because I wanted to make it clear that I have never thought or said at any time that mentally ill people should be linked with criminality.

Insult you?

I've been fucked up beyond belief so many times I can't count.

Yes, I'm still up!

I've had insomnia for 26 years, too.

NO criminal offenses. No complaints from neighbours. No fuck ups.

So don't blame mental illness.

Black and white about this?

You either know the difference between right and wrong or you don't, because anything else in insulting me, too.

But they are, Agent! They are. And that's why I find it so hard to get a job.

Like it or not, they are.

I'm so sick of the blame-it-on-mental-illness card it sickening.

I've been on 6 ADs now. And drugs. And CBT.

So sue me.

I'm sick to the back teeth of it.

I am not a victim. Or feeble. Or a criminal or offender.

[sigh]

Yes, sigh in the face of VAT rises and petrol fuel duty rises and petrol prices rises and I need a Christmas job to keep my kids warm.

Sighing doesn't pay our bills.

It doesn't keep my kids warm or fed.

Sigh away. Want to pay part of bills? Becuase I'm on a tetracyclic now. This is over 7-years-old now.

I am considered a chronic case now.

no, but you've got one hell of a chip on your shoulder about it!

(and not that this is a competition, but I've been on 4 different ADs and counselling)

I'm not a victim or feeble or a criminal either. I just have a different opinion.

This is getting horribly reminiscent of a never ending argument with my ex-flatmate from cumbernauld.

I'm off...

Night all.

I can only repeat expat that nobody has suggested that by having a mental illness a person is more likely to commit criminal offences.

Further up the post it says, and what the OP is about, is that although people with mental illnesses are no more likely to commit a criminal offence than any other member of society, those who commit serious violent crimes are more likely to have been diagnosed with some form of mental illness.

The two are not the same.

This doesn't have anything as such to do with peoples perceptions of mental illness and why people who have mental illnesses find themselves discriminated against because of negative media portrayals.

Night Jareth, ta for posting.

I wish I had only a 'chip on my shoulder', Jareth. I wish that were the sum and whole of it!