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Stopping MIL having my child

49 replies

Shriekable · 24/08/2010 10:59

I have recently made the decision to stop my boyfriend's mother from having my 2.5yr old child, due to the increasingly worrying things that occur when she has him. I could go on forever about the stuff that has happened - in fact I stopped her having him before and came here for advice. So let me know what you think of this: The last time she took him was about a week ago. She is ALWAYS late picking him up and dropping him off (and I don't just mean 15 mins or so - I'm talking 40mins, an hr, once she was 2hrs late picking him up, and when he was a baby she was 4hrs late dropping him off and I was frantic as couldn't reach her by landline or mobile). Anyway, when she brought him back (late) I could hear him crying. I looked out of the window and she was trying to get the pushchair up the back step, so the front wheels were off the ground. She was only holding the pushchair with one hand, and with the other she appeared to be leaning over the p.chair and holding down my son. She got him inside and I met them in the hallway. I picked him up and was just about to ask her why he wasn't strapped in - she had to walk along our village's main road to get to me, and even though there is not a lot of traffic, what does pass through does so at speeds of up to 50mph - when I realised that his hair was wet. I don't just mean damp, I mean wet. As it was a warm and sunny day I didn't know why this was. I said to her 'why is his hair wet?' and she started talking about a party she was going to that evening. I then realised that his back was wet as well. Again I said 'why is he wet?' and she then started saying what a good boy he had been. I then looked at the p.chair and there was a wet patch about half a foot wide that ran from the top of the back part to the seat, and the water had run onto the seat and covered a large part of it. The canopy had been pushed back, and when I pulled it forward I noticed that it was very wet. Now, she had brought round a few flowers from her garden that she said my son had picked but there was only about half a dozen flowers and they were quite small. Obviously they had something to do with the water, but the amount of water on the p.chair was way too much considering the amount of flowers she had brought. The flowers had been stuck between the folds of the canopy, and my boyf thinks she poured water over them before leaving the house (and therefore poured water all over my son). I said to her 'why is the p.chair so wet?' and again she avoided the question. This type of thing happens all the time - I ask her a question and never get an answer. She and her husband - not boyf's father - have said in the past that what they do with my son when he is with them is up to them and not me. I don't happen to agree with this, as I am thinking about what is best for my child and they are thinking about what is best for them. Please don't get me wrong - I am not saying they cannot see him, I am saying that I don't want them to have him. One of the neighbours also told me that the last time she took him they saw her at a local park - to get there she would have had to go in the car and I know she doesn't have the correct car seat. I asked her about it and she denied it, but knowing what she is like, I don't believe her. I feel I can't trust her as she has lied to me so many times. The problem I have now is that her husband is getting stroppy about it and is hinting about taking me to court to get access. I have tried to explain that I am not stopping access. I just feel that my son's safety is at risk with this woman. My boyf is backing me up. We are expecting another child in November, and the PIL have already 'told' me that they will be taking my son more often, which I am determined will not happen. Am I being unreasonable?

OP posts:
2rebecca · 24/08/2010 13:19

She isn't your MIL as you aren't married. She has no legal "rights". She is your child's grandmother, but how often you let her look after your child is completely up to you and your boyfriend.

I wouldn't let someone that unreliable and strange look after my kids.

Take him round to visit now and then so you can supervise, or boyfriend can take him round. As boyfriend is backing you up you have nothing to worry about.

She and her partner sound a pair of ignorant bullies.

Let them visit lawyers if they want, they won't get anywhere.

MaryBS · 24/08/2010 13:21

Can I also suggest that you start keeping a diary of events, so if things DO turn nasty, you've got a record of what happened when?

zingzillachinchilla · 24/08/2010 13:21

Stand your ground, YANBU. I think you have been remarkably calm about it, considering the pressure they are heaping on you.

... but please, please, please use paragraph breaks in long posts - it's really tough to read without them Grin

tortoiseonthehalfshell · 24/08/2010 13:29

If your boyfriend is supportive of this decision, it's an absolute no-brainer. They hsve no legal rights and - given their behaviour - no moral rights to spend time with your child without you there. If you don't rely on them for childcare, just cut this situation off now.

Anniegetyourgun · 24/08/2010 13:31

My opinion is that you are actually slightly unreasonable to let them take him, rather than unreasonable to stop them! She is clearly not capable of coping with having the care of a young child. However the water in the pushchair incident happened it sounds absolutely barking. If anyone normal had accidentally spilled water over the pushchair and the child, unlikely though that is, wouldn't we, er, make some attempt to mop it up before wheeling him home?

I'd think if he was four hours late back that they'd decided to take him to their home planet, as they clearly don't live on this one.

Mumi · 24/08/2010 13:39

"The minute my ILs started threatening me that they would be "taking" our kids whenever they wanted and talking about legal action, that would be the last conversation I had with them about it"

It would be the last conversation I had with them about anything. They are deluded and not fit to look after your child. Avoid, avoid, avoid. YANBU.

Kathyjelly · 24/08/2010 13:40

YANBU at all. The moment that man issued that threat, I'd have stopped any contact except under my supervision.

Shelpit · 24/08/2010 14:15

I am not sure how else someone is supposed to get a pushchair up steps without the front wheels leaving the ground. Your MIL could have been leaning over and could have been using her hand to lift the chair up the steps and then once up undid the straps - something I have done numerous times when my children were small. You seem to have worked this into a 'danger situation' when nothing happened.

Regarding the water in the pushchair incident, perhaps the flowers had leaked and your MIL was unaware of it, hence not answering your question - frankly it doesn't seem to be a big deal, it was a warm day and kids dont dissolve with a bit of water. Once again you have imagined your MIL pouring water over flowers whilst on the pushchair hood and "therefore poured water all over my son".

Your neighbour says she has seen her at a park. Your MIL says it wasn't her - perhaps your neighbour was mistaken. When you say she doesn't have the correct seat in her car does that mean she doesn't have a child safety seat or not one you approve of? Perhaps you ought to buy one for her car then you would have no worries.

You are aware that your MIL is one of life's poor time keepers. The four hour late incident was from when he was a baby he is now 2.5 years old. Has your MIL ever caused any actual harm to your child? If not then once again its a bit inconvenient when she is late but not realy a big problem.

I feel sorry for your MIL as you seem to be highly anxious and convinced she is a liar, perhaps she ignores your endless questions as she is sick and tired of being accused of things and feels that pretending not to hear you is the best way to handle your anxieties.

sapphireblue · 24/08/2010 14:42

of course YANBU. She sounds horribly irresponsible and a tad insane tbh. They have no legal right to access and access does not mean they have to see him without you or your bf being present. In your situation I would just make sure that you visit at their house or they come to you and that you stay with DS as well. Or better still, meet somewhere neutral (local park?) so that you can make your excuses when you've had enough of them!

thereisalightanditnevergoesout · 24/08/2010 14:45

Even if the water was from the flowers, most people would look and comment on it, wouldn't they? It is very strange to repeatedly ignore the question. The OP will know if it just feels wrong. I don't think she needs to wait until some actual harm comes to her son just to be sure.

I wouldn't take the risk and I suspect you wouldn't either.

Petal02 · 24/08/2010 14:54

Shelpit - you seem to be defending the OP's MIL. Yet there have been a whole string of unacceptable incidents, we're not talking about one-off. Would YOU leave a child with the OP's MIL???

Jamieandhismagictorch · 24/08/2010 15:05

YANBU. And they have no right to threaten you, and sound rather stupid to attempt it. And the statement about doing what they want with your son when he is with them is outrageous, in this context.

Jamieandhismagictorch · 24/08/2010 15:08

You just can't leave your child alone with someone you don't trust - do as sapphireblue suggests - meet at a park or go round to their house

ProfessorLaytonIsMyLoveSlave · 24/08/2010 15:13

YANB at all U.

prozacfairy · 24/08/2010 17:42

If anyone told me that what they did with my DC is none of my business, I'd tell them where to fucking go.

It would ring some serious alarm bells for sure, all these incidents point to your PIL being stupidly arrogant in their belief that they know best.

YANBU to keep these people as far away from your DC as possible imo.

LynetteScavo · 24/08/2010 17:59

"She and her husband - not boyf's father - have said in the past that what they do with my son when he is with them is up to them and not me."

YOU are his mother...you have the final say. End of.

I would only allow them supervised access.

Katey1010 · 24/08/2010 18:02

I find it very suspicious that the boyf of the mother of your partner thinks it is any of his business at all. He is not family to your DS and to threaten legal action makes me really worry about him being around your DS. I would be concerned about his motives. I wouldn't want him near my baby at all.

The MIL, kill her with kindness. Go to the park with her and DS, invite her round for crafts and baking, let her be with DS but NEAR YOU. Then if she tries to take you to Court she will look like a nutter.

DetectivePotato · 24/08/2010 19:37

YANBU. If you cannot trust someone, whoever it is, to look after your child in a way that you would like, you are perfectly within your rights not to let them. It is not up to them what they do with your child, espeically if they are putting him in a car without a seat.

Its good that your BF is backing you up too.

They have no legal rights so tell them if they want to try and fight for access, carry on and they will get nowhere.

The refusing to answer questions would drive me insane!! Everytime I would say "excuse me, I just asked you a question, can you answer it" really loudly and just say it until she answers and refuse to let her talk about anything else.

How dare they say that they will be having your DS more when you have another baby! I would be saying "um no actually, I don't trust you and you aren't going to be looking after him anymore."

Spell it out to them and get your BF to back you up. Whatever you do don't back down. They sound like they think they know everything and will never change.

zipzap · 24/08/2010 20:45

If you can get them to 'prove' their dodgy views on car seats then it could be really useful evidence on how unsuitable they are to look after you dc, given that car seats are a legal requirement!

madamearcati · 24/08/2010 21:31

They do seem weird and I don't think YABU in stopping them seeing him.

However there may be innocent explanantions.
Your neighbour could easily have been mistaken-seen a similar looking child at a distance .
WRY the wet pushchair,perhaps MIL didn't hear your question or perhaps your DS had emptied the vase over himself and she didn't want to 'grass him up'

TakeLovingChances · 24/08/2010 21:38

Not having the right car seat and still taking him in the car? Not on!

Also, telling you how things will be done and not taking your advice or point of view? Not on!

They have no right to access. Your bf's step FIL is being a bully.

They can't force you to let them look after your DS. You're him mum, you have parental responsibility, so you choose. Not them.

What does your bf say? Was his mum a good mum with him when he was a child?

YANBU.

Needanewname · 24/08/2010 21:52

Fine let them take you to court, I'd love to see the judges reaction!

Shelpit - would you be happy if your toddler was in the pushchair not strapped in - especially when coming up some steps? Yes nothing happened, however as a child I never wore a seatbelt, sat in the middle back seat and leant forward between the the front seat - nothing ever happend so should I not bother with car seats?

It doesn't so matter as why the child was wet but why wouldn;t the MIL answer the question? Whether it was an accident or not she should have answered the question

Re the park - yes maybe the neighbour was mistaken, however maybe she wasn't, but the OP has had many other reasons to not trust her MIL

Poor time keeping is shit when you have someone elses child with you or you are due to pick them up when, in fact poor time keeping is shit for anything, extremely rude, inconsiderate and in some cases controlling.

Comments about what we do with the child when he's with us is none of your business is a huge cause for concern

As for original question about taking the child abroad without a parent - HELL NO!

Petal02 · 12/09/2010 21:24

Just bumping this up - have there been any developments?

castleonthehill · 13/09/2010 12:55

My mil wants to have my children in summer holidays one year they are 4 and 8. I have said no we like nearly 4 hours away and they don't drive so I would have to dive there and back can't really meat her anywhere. Also fil is loosing his sight and mil is diabetic and only has to look at my kids and her readings go all over she is also becoming less mobile. so it is really a none starter. My mum doesn't have them. My dad has had them over night but he lives close. He only had them when he was prepared to deals with nappies and not leave it to his partner. My thinking for that is you have to do the whole job when looking after a child. She has stopped asking. Holidays seam so short as it is not sure we could find a free couple of days. so yanbu

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