to think that ADHD/ADD is a load of nonsense?

[Breton1900]

Are we really producing ever more kids with these conditions or do parents simply need to take back control and realise that, at times, all kids can be obnoxious, loud, defiant, restless and fidgety and that strictly enforced rules for behaviour, lots of TLC, and the occasional smack on the bum may be the way forward?

Lequeen, there is no 'supposedly' if they have received a diagnosis of ADHD/ASD.

If a professional thought that a parents behave was responsible for their child's difficulties, they would not receive a diagnosis.

Im unsure of what it is you are trying to say?

ADHD International Consensus Statement
January 2002

We, the undersigned consortium of 75 international scientists, are deeply concerned about the periodic inaccurate portrayal of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) in media reports. This is a disorder with which we are all very familiar and toward which many of us have dedicated scientific studies if not entire careers. We fear that inaccurate stories rendering ADHD as myth, fraud, or benign condition may cause thousands of sufferers not to seek treatment for their disorder. It also leaves the public with a general sense that this disorder is not valid or real or consists of a rather trivial affliction.

We have created this consensus statement on ADHD as a reference on the status of the scientific findings concerning this disorder, its validity, and its adverse impact on the lives of those diagnosed with the disorder as of this writing (January 2002).

Occasional coverage of the disorder casts the story in the form of a sporting event with evenly matched competitors. The views of a handful of non-expert doctors that ADHD does not exist are contrasted against mainstream scientific views that it does, as if both views had equal merit. Such attempts at balance give the public the impression that there is substantial scientific disagreement over whether ADHD is a real medical condition. In fact, there is no such disagreement --at least no more so than there is over whether smoking causes cancer, for example, or whether a virus causes HIV/AIDS.

should i take the word of 75 international scientists who have devoted their life and careers to this or of someone on the internet.

Checkmate...game, set and match!

Checkmate...game, set and match!

Lequeen, How do you know that their child doesnt have ADHD/ASD?

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According to Jay Joseph, this contention is based on faulty intepretations of data. Joseph points out the flaws including methodological flaws in the studies themselves and the confusion over assessing environmental factors. [See Joseph J. (2003). Genetics and antisocial behaviour. Ethical Human Sciences and Services 5, 41-44]

Is that Jay Joseph, the psychologist?

I thought you stated earlier something about psychologist's opinions not being evidence and a load of crap? (sorry cant be bothered to trawl the thread for your exact words)

Jay Joseph is a critical analyst therefore would have alternative viewpoints to write books and make money from them.

i absolutly agree with you OP.

You are of course 100% correct. All those specialists that spent years training and then decades working in this field are just lying to me abotu my son as they simply wish to spare the awful truth that it is just my bad parenting.

if only i had punished him more.

It's a good job he has those tablets every day to help me be a better parent huh.

you are of course a complete and utter cunt OP

25 pages and you still haven't come to a concensus?

Blimey, I'll spell it out for you:

Back in Black, Highway to Hell, Dirty Deeds Done Cheap: good.
Black Ice, Stiff Upper Lip, Ballbreaker: nonsense.

There, we can all get on with our day now, yes?

Yes i think we have all concluded that the only thing that is a load of nonsense is this thread and the op's views.

Is this thread still going, I thought the tirades of abuse hurled at OP and others with the courage to state opinions different from the namby pamby mainstream would have long ceased.

yap yap stir stir

You know what, I have no axe to grind here, but the OP made a serious misjudgment of the title, the tone and the placement of the apparently intellectual debate he wanted to have on this matter. And he is a wind-bag.

People have no objection to informed debate, but this was just attention-seeking shit-stirring. You hang around long enough on AIBU and you see it all the time.

So who on this debate is self diagnosing lequeen?

The trouble is that these sorts of threads have a real impact on those parents who have children with genuine, life-affecting SN. My DD1 was having a particularly active day today. Climbing constantly, and I do mean constantly. Then the baby (16 months) copies her. My Mum told them to get down 'now', and she interpreted it absolutely literally, so tried to 'help' the baby, who tumbled off of the sofa. Baby crying, DD1 crying. DD1 can't cope with the noise, so became even more of a whirlwind.

The sad thing is that I spent most of the afternoon trying to calm DD1 down (it was pouring with rain, so couldn't take her out as she doesn't like the sensation on her face) and thinking "they all think it is just bad parenting".

It isn't. Of course we are not perfect. But I am doing my very best, using techniques suggested by health professionals, and there is only so much I can do.

Lequeen, how do you know that they are reluctant to seek professionals diagnosis?

Do you have special needs training, if so what kind?

(not sure why you are im only asking!

I'd like to say not all teachers are narrow minded.

I thankgod for my ds2 teacher, and his school. If it were not for the school, pushing, pushing and pushing for help which he very much needed and was obvious in his R year, he would not have got the help he needs or diagnosis of Autism for years probably by the time the trust pulled their finger out.

Sometimes its not even about some teachers being narrow minded, its about lack of understanding.

I have had some very bad experiences of teachers, who wouldnt know or want to know a special need if it jumped up and bit them on the arse.

I have also some very good experiences of teachers.

The difference between good/bad as far as i can tell has been understanding.

Some teachers just dont want to understand, same as some other people dont.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhhhh

to the teachers giving us other teachers a bad name

and

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrgggghhhhhhhh

to the people who have never walked even a centimetre in my shoes (or those of the other parents on the SN boards) who still think they know it all.

Thank you.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhhhh

to the teachers giving us other teachers a bad name

and

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrgggghhhhhhhh

to the people who have never walked even a centimetre in my shoes (or those of the other parents on the SN boards) who still think they know it all.

Thank you.