To feel saddened that not enough people care about animals in the wild.

[TigerLiliys]

I am a mum of two under 6's. I find it so saddening that our children will grow up in a world where the animals we take for granted will be no more! No polar bears, no tigers, no elephants, no Giant pandas, the list is endless.

Why do people not care?

I've been trying to get people to sign a WWF petition to help save the tiger. There are only 3200 tigers left in the wild. WWF are trying to double the numbers, but need everyone's help.

Why do people not want to sign the petition?

If you are someone that does care, sign the petition. WWF have a facebook page called WWF tiger.

fishermen of Greenland and Iceland ect without their staple diet!?

You make it sound like they are hard done by, like they are out there in a dingy with a harpoon carved from bone.

Have you seen the fishing ships used by places like Greenland? floating factories, trawling all the life out of the sea, freezing it and packaging it on ship, when they get to port they offload boxes of prawns that head straight to the supermarket.

The Seals should be so lucky they will probably starve to death before we manage to kill all the polar bears, due to the amount of over fishing.

A previous post asked why polar bears are needed.

I was giving an example to why all animals are precious and in the same way over fishing effects other animals.

Butterfly effect? What would happen if there were no animals at all on the planet apart from those bred and kept by people for food?

I am not saying I don't care but I am suddenly now very curious to know!

I care! I'll sign. I give money to Greenpeace because they protect shark sanctuaries and pester whaling fleets. I have bird boxes in my backyard.

There are a lot of us out there.

YANBU

I'm not saying it's the case for all these animals, but doesn't there come a point when we will have to say goodbye to some species? Sad though it is.
Over the years (since we used to watch blue peter) hasn't there been millions spent on trying to get better reproduction rates in giant pandas?

I'm not saying this is how it is, I'm genuinely asking more about it - as a part of me thinks maybe we should let the pandas go.

"People are selfish and self centered, they would perfer to have a nice chest of draws then a forrest, and I'm sure the person who tucks into the last Cod will feel very pleased about themselves and l33t for doing it.

We have been sowing the seeds of our own destruction for years with our greed and evil nature.

What creatures do manage to live in our urban sprawl and hedgerows lining our pesticide ridden fields we call pests and try to kill anyway.

WWF patroned by Prince Philip a man who like to go around shooting things that are small and fluffy for fun.

I'd prefer to give my money to WSPA they may not stop animals being made extinct by us (thats impossible in my view) but at least they can make the lives of animal we exploit better."

Extremely well said, Ryoko.

You clearly know your stuff.

A comment by an Irish animal rights activist I know comes to mind here,

"Tears mean nothing. Action is everything".

There's more to supporting animal welfare than just signing a petitition... but if you do, you need to ensure you're signing the right one.

I guess what I mean is, what does the petition suggest for saving the tiger (I don't have facebook to look)

Greenpeace.

Here's a well known and not very spinnable quote from a Greenpeace activist:

"Let's talk about what that mass civil disobedience is going to look like.
If you're one of those who have spent their lives undermining progressive climate legislation, bankrolling junk science, fueling spurious debates around false solutions, and cattle-prodding democratically-elected governments into submission, then hear this:

We know who you are. We know where you live. We know where you work. And we be many, but you be few.?

The WWF petition is to take to the Russian government, to show how strongly people care. Russia need to preserve habitat on an unprecedented scale and put tigers at the top of the political agenda. WWF have a 12 year plan to double the tiger numbers, but without the governments help and permission it can not be done.

You can look this up on WWF web site. www.wwf.org.uk/tigers

IMO unless we cull every person who uses/wants to use Chinese medicine and every rich git who wants a tiger skin rug there is nothing that can save the Tiger.

even if you created Tiger island inhabited by nothing but Tigers and patrolled by the Navy to protect them someone would get on it somehow to make a fortune.

The sad fact is the more rare a creature is the more money it is worth, Mitsubishi is the biggest buyer of Blue Fin Tuna, they buy it and freeze it for sale at a later date when the value has increased, rare animals to the greedy are simply a commodity to use in exactly the same way as gold, the more that die the better.

The butterfly effect. A world with no animals other than ones we kept ourselves just could not happen.

This world needs diversity in nature. Take for example the Bee. Without the bee and insects, there would be no flowers, fruit and seeds, as the bee is needed to pollinate.

Then you need something to control the insects, which would be birds, reptiles, small mammals.

Herbivores keep vegetation in check and the carnivores keep them in check.

The balance of nature.

Also different animals need different climates. If global warming continues who knows what kind of animals we may call on to help us in our future.

Ryoko so do we just let these people win? Roll over and let them kill our tigers and rhinos?

IMO China being a main culprit is where we can make a difference. All we need to do is boycott their goods. There are many other counties willing to make their products.

paisleyleaf I understand what you are thinking. There are some animals that die out naturally without humans being totally responsible. But when it is Humans fault we should do all we can to prevent it. The Giant Panda was living successfully before humans interfered with their bamboo forest.

Snobear4000 Thank you:)

I don't quite know what to think tbh TigerLilys. I remember Chris Packham saying something about there being more important conservation issues than saving the panda.

I care! I have signed your petition and asked family and friends to sign up too. Petitions may not have an effect, but what definitely has no effect is people sitting on their backsides and doing nothing.

Our family loves animals. We are all vegetarian and belong to several animal charities (wildlife and rescue/cruelty) as well as charities for aid for less developed countries. The two things are not mutually exclusive!

The diminishing population of sharks somewhere, can';t remember, has meant the animals they feed on have boomed. These animals are vicious and vile red squid. The squid then feed without fear on other fish, who are food for lots of sealife besides the sharks and squid. The knock on effect is that these fish play a vital role in the eco system, the food chain and by killing the sharks (may have been hammer head) we fuck up the system. (Damn the Chinese)

If there are too many seals eating up the fish, why not just hunt the seals?

Squid? (TTL...)

here, Red Devil Squid

No, sorry, that was a x-post. I was responding to earlier comment about too many seals eating fish.

Btw, I don't think the red squid support your comment about all other creatures living in harmony.

ttl....I am very confused by your post, what did I write about creatures living in harmony??

There is balance to everything, all life depends on something else to provide for it. Knock something out of the food chain and it can have catastrophic effects on an entire food chain within an area.

However this is not one countries fault all play a part people might not be the one directly killing but that does not mean their demand for items e.g. wood does not have consequences.

Habitats are destroyed species that cannot adapt die out species which survive on them die out. Species which are able to adapt to a more urban lifestyle are called pests (e.g. foxes)yet we leave them no other place to live.

Humans as a species go about doing things with no thought of others either other people or other species. Safe to say that the way we live is not sustainable especially with the worlds population ever increasing.

Sorry again - that was poshsinglemum. I am obviously much too distracted to write anything coherent tonight...