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AIBU?

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I probably should not get involved but

28 replies

corneredbyconcern · 10/08/2010 16:06

Name changed regular for the sake of privacy.

My husbands best friend has been married 14 years with 2 school age DC's. I love his wife, we are good friends and we have always had a really lovely time when with them. I see her as one of the most strong independant, clever women I know and generally I think she is great. As friends the 4 of us have been pretty close for years but they have moved away about 3 yrs ago and we dont see each other as much as we used to-about two or three times a year. Outside observers would describe them as one of the happiest and loveiest couples, who really had the recipe to go the whole hog and grow old together.

The man, lets call him James, is going through a really rough time. He has been suffering from depression for some time, only just realised what was wrong and got diagnosed about 4 months ago-he was living a high life, taking the odd bit of coke and being generally irresponsible. Spending money on things like watches, gadgets and champagne boozy nights. I need to stress that this is totally not him even though he could totally afford that kind of lifestyle to some extent, he did take it too far.

Trouble is she chucked him out 2 months ago, he has been up to see us 3 or 4 times and he is now taking antidepressants, and having counselling and is totally and utterly remorseful and humbled by his daft behaviour. He wants to get his life back on track and needs her support. He recognises that the behaviour of the last 18 months was an act of self medication, looking for the next kick each time.

She is now saying she wants a divorce, she refuses to go to anymore counselling, she went once. He has only been out of the house 2 months, he is doing everything right to get himself back on track, but she is simply refusing to give him any other chances. She doesn't recognise depression as an excuse for his behaviour, she thinks he should "just pull himself together" I have suffered from depression myself and know how utterly unhelpful this attitude is. He has never abused her, physically hurt her or been unfaithful, he was just an idiot for a while living a footballer style life because he couldn't cope with the pressures of his high earning sales job and has run up some debt which he has sorted out, consolodated and is paying back. He has left his previous job and taken something with lower pay but less of the highflyer atmosphere which is healthier for him.

Now I know I am not her, and I know she has lived with him being like this, but I really ask her to give it another try. It seems like she is happy to throw away 14 years of marriage based on a period of illness-I mean whatever happened to "in sickness and in health" ffs. It's so unfair on James, he isn't a bad bloke at all, just a poorly one. I really thnk she should give it longer before she makes the final decision but she is pushing really hard to get it done. I know she must be hurting and questioning her marriage but I really do think it's too soon.

OP posts:
LIZS · 10/08/2010 16:10

sorry but I doubt you know the full extent of what she has been through, hwoever close friends you think they are. Sad for him , but maybe he has run out of chances and she has to put her dc first. If they have any future it has to be him doing the running , not you.

minibmw2010 · 10/08/2010 16:11

Thing is, you say they are good friends, but at the end of the day only the two people in the marriage truly knows what goes on, how good it is, how bad it is, how a person behaves to another ...

How do you know he hasn't abused her ? Frankly the kind of lifestyle he was leading while leaving her to raise the family sounds in itself a form of abuse.

Stay out of it. Its none of your business, friendship or not.

LaDiDaDi · 10/08/2010 16:11

I think that you are probably a bit too involved in this tbh.

EndangeredSpecies · 10/08/2010 16:13

no you can't get involved but sounds very much like there are underlying issues otherwise she wouldn't be so determined to get rid.

Perhaps she's just fallen out of love with him. Sad but happens.

thumbwitch · 10/08/2010 16:14

The only thing you can do is choose to support him if you feel that is the right way forward. As the others said, you have no real idea what goes on behind closed doors in another couple's relationship - even now you only have his side, of the story.

She might be scared of depression as an illness; she might view him as weak; she might have lost all respect and then love for him - but that is HER situation and not yours.

I agree you need to stay out of it if you want to maintain any kind of relationship with both of them.

VinegarTits · 10/08/2010 16:14

I really think you should stay out of it, be there to support him by all means, but her decision is really none of your business

booyhoo · 10/08/2010 16:15

stay out of it. you don't know teh half of what has gone on between them.

my friends and family don't know half teh shit i put up with whilst with exp. they wouldn't believe it if i told them because they have formed their own opinions of him and think he was a great guy. i would be really pissed off if any of them had intervened on his behalf when we split up.

pjmama · 10/08/2010 16:15

Although it's probably heartbreaking to watch your good friends marriage imploding, the sad truth is that there's really nothing you can do except be there to support if needed. You can't know the full extent of what they've been through and really should stay out of it.

KurriKurri · 10/08/2010 16:15

If there is to be any hope of your friendship with these people surviving, (whether they get back together or not)don't take sides.

Megatron · 10/08/2010 16:17

YABU. If you are their friend, you will offer support to both of them in whatever way they need it. As it is, you appear to be taking sides. You really don't have any idea what goes on between a couple no matter how well you think you know them. If I were you I would be there for them, but remember that it's absolutely none of your business.

minibmw2010 · 10/08/2010 16:21

14 years is a long time and you have absolutely no idea what their true relationship is or has been over this length of time .... YABU.

OrmRenewed · 10/08/2010 16:22

You have to stay out of it. Sorry. But this "She doesn't recognise depression as an excuse for his behaviour, she thinks he should "just pull himself together" does upset me. There may be many reasons for wanting to end it but it is a shame she can't acknowledge this.

corneredbyconcern · 10/08/2010 16:25

I have tried to offer support to her her also but she has cut all contact with myself but has emailed my husband a few times at the beginning of the breakdown. It's a real shame and it makes me very sad. I would not actually intervene, but I really want to.

Also-not to intentionally drip feed, but I just realised I missed this out of my OP. She didn't mind the money, nice stuff for the house, gadgets and holidays when it was coming in or the cocaine. Thats side of it wasn't just him off being a party boy.

Still each to thier own I suppose, and who know where her feelings for him lie now, as one poster said it may just be that she has fallen out of love.

That thought makes me sadder than ever-if they cant make it i'm suprised any marriages would.

OP posts:
Mingg · 10/08/2010 16:25

You are right - you should not get involved.

SanctiMoanyArse · 10/08/2010 16:25

I agree with Orm.

But ultimately- if she no longer loves him then at least she is being staright and honest about it.

if the love has gone- well that'sd it isn't it?

KathyImLost · 10/08/2010 16:26

What booyhoo said. Everyone thought my ex was the dogs bollocks, mostly because I hid what a shit he was. All part of being a strong, independant woman, see. You don't know the full story.

Morloth · 10/08/2010 16:27

I think the title of your post is absolutely correct.

You have no idea what the actual situation is and you are only getting his "side" of the story.

werewolf · 10/08/2010 16:27

Sounds like she's just had enough.

minibmw2010 · 10/08/2010 16:29

What do you mean she "didn't mind" the money, etc. coming in. Why shouldn't she ?? He was providing for his family, it's what people do (but most don't go on cocaine or act like a complete ars* while they do it). She had every right to expect him to provide for them. You've clearly taken his side and against her, so again I would say YABU and stay out of it.

bumpsnowjustplump · 10/08/2010 16:51

Hang on a minute, let me get this straight she was out doing cocaine and living it up with him? So what was the problem then? I think there is more to it than this...

minibmw2010 · 10/08/2010 16:52

No I don't think the wife was doing the cocaine, I think the OP just meant that the wife didn't mind the cocaine so much (though who knows, maybe she hated it).

AnyFucker · 10/08/2010 16:55

stay out of it

you know nothing of what went on behind closed doors

he could have knocked her around in drunken rages for all you know

or she may simply have had enough of him

don't believe the "perfect" exterior tells you everything

I think you have been taken in by this man's obvious charm and you should distance yourself from their problems

LIZS · 10/08/2010 17:03

If she has no contact for 2 months it may well mean she feels you have already taken sides. He's feeding you the info,as he sees it , or chooses to, but you don't really know what lies behind her decisions. It isn't your relationship to get involved in.

AMumInScotland · 10/08/2010 17:07

You know you shouldn't get involved. You may be right - she may be being a total cow to someone who is ill. OTOH she may have reached the end of her tether with someone who has had several "last chances" already. You simply don't know the whole story and probably never will.

All you can do is support them during a time which must be very difficult for both of them. If at all possible, you should try to support them both equally and not judge them. It sounds like you've decided that he's innocent and she's the villain, and she has realised this and therefore doesn't contact you any more. If you value her, you should try to build bridges and not take sides.

SeaTrek · 10/08/2010 18:38

I have to concur with everyone else on this. Don't get involved to the extent where you give your opinion when it is not asked for or in any way try to manipulate the situation, for what you see is the overall good. Just be there to support them. As others have said, there is no way you will know the whole story.

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