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AIBU?

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to think my friend is living and thinking so irresponsibly?

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Petitefrizz · 05/08/2010 20:34

I have a (younger) friend who is 20, who I used to "mentor" in an informal sense, and who has made me god-mother of her gorgeous baby, which I am so proud of!
However....she used to be so hard working and self-diciplined, and I used to be so impressed with her. Then, she fell pregnant, and it all went downhill. Her baby, of course, is a lovely blessing. But it is the attitude of my friend, since becomming a mum, that is really driving me up the wall! She was determined to move out of her mums when pregnant last year, so after living in shared accommodation, which she hated, she was given a decent 2 bed council flat when the baby arrived. Everything was going ok, for a few months, then, she invited this guy (not baby's dad), who she had only known for 5 months after meeting online to live with her. He did manage to get some work in his manual labour trade for a couple of months down here, but then he got sacked, and instead of looking for another job, he and my girl decided he should start up his own business in his trade as he would get more money, so he did, and printed leaflets, did a website etc and they were very optimistic about it all. That was three months ago. He has not had any clients or any business of any sort. He is claiming JSA, yet is not looking for anything else, because he feels that he shouldn't be getting other work, when he has a 'business to sort out'. So he sits at home and plays call of duty til the cows come home, he doesn;t even go and deliver his leaflets anymore. he just sits and waits for someone to 'require his services'.
Meanwhile, my girl was on maternity all this time (works in a department of my old work), but this week she started back for 2 days a week (16 hours so she can still get tax credits) now baby is rising a year. Met her for a coffee today, and she spent almost the whole time moaning and whining of how she hates the fact she has to go back, how guilty she feels, how she is scared she will miss her DC's most precious moments, and it really upset and unsettled me. I am a SAHM, but only since a couple of years ago since fell pregnant with DD2, and I would have gone back part time this year but fell pregnant with DC4 instead so have postponed the decision. When I had DD1, circumstances forced me to go back full time (5 days a week) and I felt a bit guilty, but accepted DH and I had no other choice if we wanted to keep our house. Went back part-time after DS, which I really enjoyed. Anyway, my point is that I don't really feel like she has any reason to be angry about going back since its only for a couple of days and baby will be left with her partner (who baby sees as daddy anyway, instead of a childminder/nursery) and plus, she is still going to be receiving welfare, so she has it so much better than so many other mums. To me, being a SAHM is a priveledge, certainly not a right, but she is acting as if she has a right to be a SAHM even though her partner is home full time and recieving money for it!
On the other side of the coin, she says money is a real problem for them, and she can't wait for partners business to kick off as they will be so much better off, and maybe then she can give up work. I can really sypathise with her, as there are hardly any families living 'comfortable' at the moment, but....in the last few months they have bought 2 kittens (which are only allowed to be in the kitchen), a second buggy (brand new), a caravan holiday to cornwall, and the worst, a brand new corner setee which takes up most of there sitting room, a thousand times more flash than mine! All these things I feel she doesn't need! To make matters worse, I was telling her how we are taking the DC for their first trip to the zoo, and invited her and baby to come, to which she said 'Oh yes *** loves the zoo, we have been loads of times before!'....Furthermore, she wwas also complaining about the fact that her baby doesn't have a garden to play in, and how she is so desperate to move to a house soon, and how my DCs are so lucky to have a garden and have big bedrooms (although DH and I had to work very hard to get where we are now!)
Its not just that, last month I took care of the poor cats while they were away for a week, and when I open the door to the flat, I was in shock. The flat was in a disgusting state! about 5 days washing up not done, dirty cups and plates in the sitting room, baby's toys everywere, bed not made, no ironing done, clothes and papers everywhere! I washed up and tidied it a bit, and she was very grateful - but I fail to see how it got to that state in the first place - with just one baby, and two adults in the home all day!

I'm so dissapointed in her, and I feel like the ambitious, self-respecting young woman I met a few years back has turned into a "selfish and lazy baby-mumma" as my DH would say. I have kept a bit quiet about it all, as she says that she is fine and doesn't want me to mentor her anymore, but really wants me as a friend instead, so I feel like I can't get her to see sense anymore! I really want to talk to her about it though! perhaps write her a letter or something, as it is eating me up inside, but I don't know how to put it all in a way which is not going to offend her, and I don't want to loose her or loose acess to my godchild either.

Any suggestions on what I should do? Sorry this is the longest post ever on MN but I seriously need to offload! Phew, feel a lot better now

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Petitefrizz · 05/08/2010 20:40

Sorry for all the inevitable spelling/grammer mistakes

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womblingfree · 05/08/2010 20:47

I can understand your disappointment, but tbh you'd sound very judgemental and as if you have a little bit of a chip on your shoulder about all the stuff this girl has that she hasn't had to work for (not saying I blame you btw).
I think you are going to have to think hard and be very careful how you approach this situation as you could very easily alienate her completely.
I don't think you have much option other than taking the softly softly approach, perhaps get together with her and try and remind her of all the ambitions she had for herself before having her baby and meeting her new partner. Maybe point her in the direction of some courses or suggest some organisations that may be able to help get her partner's business off the ground.
Don't think you can do much about the untidy house though - that's their call and everyone has different standards in that dept!

colditz · 05/08/2010 20:53

She's an adult. Either stay around her and keep your opinions to yourself (for that is all they are) or take yourself away from her if you dislike her.

ItsGraceActually · 05/08/2010 21:11

The bloke sounds like a tosspot. My guess is he's giving her a load of "should"s - a woman should be at home with her child, you shouldn't have to work for that pittance, we should have lovely things in our home, yadda yadda ... and I shouldn't have to go looking for work, I shouldn't have to tidy up, I shouldn't have to do anything.

Does she look stressed?

One of the problems with being in this kind of relationship is that, while you unconsciously relaise what's happening to you, you're very anxious not to face it. This leads to a narrowing focus, due to emotional stress, and a great deal of blaming external forces.

Another thing that springs to mind is unwise use of drugs. Like it or not, most 20-year-olds use drugs recreationally. We all know this can go wrong, especially now there's a new one to market every month with no history or expereince to guide the user. Given her boyfriend's lack of interest in his business, it's possible he's dealing (not very profitably) and overdoing the substance abuse. They might be finding there's "no time" to tidy up, etc.

Does she still see her friends, or has all that changed?

As to whether you can help - well, she needs to be woken up. There's no saying whether it'll work, but I don't see why you shouldn't express concern. Don't criticise her "attitude" but mention specific, demonstrable things like the state of their flat, the need to go out looking for business and so on. Real-time practical advice might be useful.

She's only 20; probably has a naive dream of happy family life, and can't quite see why she's starting to feel bitter that it hasn't happened.

It's nice of you to care - and I am strongly in favour of trying to 'steer' someone away from dangerous paths while they're young. I hope you find a way to start her off, and I hope she responds.

malteaserpearl · 05/08/2010 21:16

i would say if you feel the way you do then leave her alone!!

YABU and JUDGEMENTAL

she is expressing normal concerns and fears any mother experiances when returning to work. i would give her a pat pn the back for working. she could be queing up in the dole queue!!

and i doubt a 16hr a week job would provide a brand new buggy, corner unit etc. maybe these things are bought on credit etc or made up by you!!!!

Ilythia · 05/08/2010 21:20

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solo · 05/08/2010 21:34

OP, your profile says: '
I used to be a career woman, and a workaholic! But for the last 5 yrs I've slowed down to enjoy precious time with my babies, aged 5, 2 1/2 and 1yr'. Your 'friend' is not wishing for any more than you have from what I can see. She maybe wants the material things a little quicker than is going to happen, but you could call that, her being ambitious in trying to better her situation for her child. Her desire to stay home and bring up her baby is perfectly understandable, if not quite reasonable IMO. YABU.

Marjee · 05/08/2010 21:47

Yabu and judgemental! I'm going back to work part time soon and really don't want to. I don't think being a sahm is a right but all the same I'm going to miss my baby for those 20 hours a week! How do you know shes only doing those 16 hours for the tax credits? My flats a shitheap sometimes if ds has been difficult.

Shes a lucky girl to have a friend like you

QuizteamBleakley · 05/08/2010 22:01

Unbefackinglievable. Must not respond... must not... can't... respond... must... tape... hands... to... chair...

Seriously, her 'corner settee is a thousand times more flash' than yours? Your point? Did I misread "all inclusive holiday in the Maldives" as 'caravan holiday in Devon'?

Pass the gaffer tape...

Petitefrizz · 05/08/2010 22:01

Solo, I can understand her desire is reasonable, but at this point in time, I just don't think its realistic, without her being totally reliant on the state, or without her partner getting another job, wchich he is extremely releuctant to do. I guess all of you are right, I am jealous, of what she has got without really working hard for it, but I still don't think she has that much grounds to complain about what she has either really, fair enough, it would be lovely for them to have their own garden, but she lives 1min away from a park, and there are hundreds of mothers who live in high risen flats with 3 kids, so she isn't the worst off. I guess I am also very frustrated with her partner, who I feel could pick his feet up a bit more.

Yes, I know I'm being a bitch. I haven't said any of this to her face, but I really feel some people need to open their eyes and see their situation for what it is, instead of moaning so much about it. I guess I am still bitter about it all really. We had to make a lot of sacrifices and struggles for me to be a SAHM, and I certainly can't afford to be at home for longer than another few years or so, if things remain the same, and I guess I get quite bitter and annoyed when I hear of people getting that priveledge so easy....fair enough...unreasonable it is then....but I'm not doing it out of malice, I'm guenuinely concerned....

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mumeeee · 05/08/2010 22:04

As others have said YABU and a bit judgemental, She is only 20 years old and lots of 20 year olds still live at home. Also if her DP is claiming JSA he actually has to look for jobs and prove that he is doing it. Well that;s what DD2 had to do when
she was claiming JSA and she had to sign on every week or she didn't get her money.

Petitefrizz · 05/08/2010 22:05

I'm Also 24 weeks preganant...a bit hormonal I guess....

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Ilythia · 05/08/2010 22:11

Does anyone else want to know what is so flash about a fucking sofa? Is it made from the skin of twilight vampires and stuffed with angel hair or something?

paisleyleaf · 05/08/2010 22:12

Maybe the mentoring thing has gone to your head a bit.

Petitefrizz · 05/08/2010 22:14

OK, alright Ilythia, I'm BU, we have already established IABU in this thread and I'm held my hands up and accepted it, so theres no need to make fun of me.

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Ilythia · 05/08/2010 22:17

Well now I feel mean because you're pregnant and of course pregnant woman can't make silly nasty comments.

ApricotWorms · 05/08/2010 22:28

YABU and verbose

AlisonDubois · 05/08/2010 22:44

OP at first I thought you were her mother. Yhen I thought you were working for the Social. Now I just think you are jealous and snooping. FGS, leave her alone and get on with your own life. So what if she has a 'flashy' sofa? Get a life fgs.

BuzzingNoise · 05/08/2010 22:51

you've referred to her as 'my girl' which makes me think that you want to control her, believing it to be for her own good. However frustrating it is to watch someone you care for make mistakes, you have to let her make her own choices and learn from her own mistakes.

sleepingsowell · 05/08/2010 22:55

I'd say it's time to end it with her. She doesn't want a mentor, but a friend and you can't be friends with her if this is how you judge her life. Whether you are right or wrong in your judgements is immaterial I would say - if you really disagree so profoundly on how to live life, you're not friends anyway imo.

There were two specific points that stood out to me: that it is very mean spirited for someone who is now able to be at home full time with their children, to not understand her unhappiness about having to work even if it is part time. I've had to work like you when I had my DS and felt guilty, so we've been there, and yes you accept it - but I will always symathise with anyone who wants to be with their child full time and can't.

and the other thing was that your husband would refer to anyone as a 'selfish and lazy baby-mumma' - yuk

AlisonDubois · 05/08/2010 23:00

I put a 12ft trampoline in my garden yesterday. Does that mean I spent £200 that in your words, I can't posibly afford?
Actually it was free, my brother gave it to me. But, thing is you are making assumptions about her life. That is wrong. Where she gets her money and how she spends it is her business. She is not 'yours' so let her make her own mistakes.

ItsGraceActually · 05/08/2010 23:03

I'm kind of regretting that I tried to answer seriously. I hadn't seen the 'selfish and lazy baby-mumma' bit when I posted, otherwise I think my irritation at your superiority would have overriden my -time- - -wasting- concern for your issue. If she needs to kick her DP up the backside, I fear you're not the person to do it. Kudos on your grace under fire, though

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