To think that welfare claimant includes a wide variety of people and stereotypes don't work?

[SanctiMoanyArse]

Yep therad about a thread and i've done this before; largely new corwd on MN though.

On the otehr thread its my life my problem, or we're all cider glugging stereotypes who neglect our kids.

It's not true though.

I am a carer with a Dh desperately working to start a business after redundancy and my kids are wellca reed for; toehr people are disabled, recently redudnant....

Why can't people see there is a huge difference between people who paid NI for as long as possand are fighting to get back on tehir feet and the horrid stereotypes who can't be bothered?

Don't they realise that unless they earn mega ££££££ they too could be vulnerable if bad things happen? If their child gets ill etc?

That it actually hutrts vulbnerable famillies to equate them with scroungers? genuinely hurts, as in damaging their confidence and ability to pick back up and start over?

Why did being a carer make me a valid target for nastiness?

There are truly vulnerable families who need benefits and whom I am happy to see recieve benefits. I am glad that my tax money is put to good use helping people who truly need it and I wish the government would help these people even more. I have worked hard all my life and if a catastrophe happens I hope that system is there to help me out so that I can get back on my feet or at least survive.

And then (separately) to all of the people I mentioned above there are actual scroungers and frauds.

The nastiness is directed at the second group, not the first.

I'd like to think most people realise there's a difference, of course there is. I would say most people agree that it's the attitude of 'can't be bothered' that needs to change as it's ruining things for those who have fallen on hard times.

what is a welfare claimant?

does that extend to those who receive CTC or WTC....? never quite understand,because if we have children,then most of us claim something!

YANBU - but I think most people are quite aware of this fact

YANBU!!!

can't be bothered must cahnge absolutely: ten eyars after claims begin is too late though IMO; I;ve said it before but you never meet an eight year old who says he wants to claims benefits live in substandard acocmodation and achieve sod all do you? So you have to get tehm between then 16, not when their CV is dead and theya re unemployable anyway 9that doesn't man you shouldn't try but it's bound to be less effefctive)

And you knowq I think most people do get it but some don't weant to hear it anyway becuase it challenges their sense of self superiority.

YANBU

there are 1.4 million in the can't be bothered section of not wanting t work and havn't worked in the last en years - though who knows if they paid NI contributions for 20 years before that?

then there are 3.6 million unemployed as they have lost their job in the ressession - this one rather than the last in the uk - and they are seeking work - but they are labeled as dirty scrongers and half of them even label themselfs as dirty scroungers not actually aware that they are indeed unemployed and using taxes of others paying and working

there are 5m million out of work -why should anyone care to differentiate why they got unemployed - they need to work and get a living instead of using taxes of other people to live on - they all get paid out of the same purse

but they don't deserve any more or less to live on and they should have a decent amount to live on

YANBU - and thank you!

We are on JSA and treating looking for work like a 9-5 job, whilst being parents to 2 children. And I'm fed up of being treated like scum when all I want is to do the best for my family.

Unfortunately we're struggling to find work (and yes we'll take any job!) because we have very few qualifications and a patchy work history - who wants to employ either of us when there's 'better' prospects out there?

Aaaaargh!

Oh and I know loads of people on benefits - and none that would choose it as a lifestyle choice. All the people talking about scroungers, have they met them? Have they spoken to them about the choices they are making? I very much doubt it.

yanbu
but do you think they give a shit.
as we well know a lot of people really believe(yes really) that we chose to have disabled children.
look at them mn topic antenatal testing............choices.
why would people let the facts get in the way of ....well being stupid

Demon I wish you luck

SWC youa re right; some small things would make a difference too-

For example as I have a degree I cannot get a place on the TA course that would work around the boys, as I have no funding. How silly is that? Can't imagine it would cost more than benefits somehow! Adn you know my training is in ASD; I;d make a good LSA.

my dd1 decided to look for full time work and it took her a week - at 17 that isn't really bad, thought it was going to be impossible

There are plenty of jobs at minimum wage - but a lot of people don't want to work for minimum wage, I know I wouldn't but if I lost my job would have to do that as I really don't want to have to ever claim unempoyment benifit

She was lucky then, my 50 year old dp looked for a year after being made redundant..

I don't think there is a person in the world who would not want society to support the disabled or ill.
Really, it's not an issue.
You are very defensive Sanct, when peopel aren't getting at you at all, really they're not.

Ivy that really depends on where you live.

I;ve applied for loads of minimum wage jobs and have got nowhere, not even a response. I have to be picky WRT to hours but that's the way it is.
Jobs I am qualified or even over qualified for and have done before with good references.

Of course if I could work evenings / night shifts / weekends it would be a bit easier but even then- hte jobs page in the local paper is empty. A year ago I was comparing ours (very badly hit area, half a page) with Mum's (semi rurual area, 7 pages)and assuming that we were pretty much the worst; now Mum's paper has only half a page too.

It's a sad thing.

what have they said when you asked for feedback on your application santimoanyarse?

MD course I'm defensive LOL, it's the work ethic itself innit? - if I didn't have a problem with claiming I wouldn't care would I?

Finding the thing I don't like about myself and scrratching at it is my speciality! But so is tackling bias and misinformation head on. The latter is a good think I think.

and here,all the traditional holiday/teen jobs are taken by adults now.....so def no jobs for teens

Sancti,
YANBU - I know for a fact that if my dh lost his job (public sector so a possibility), we would only have enough money for a month or so. And any of us could also end up as a carer for our children within a split second.

It seems that a lot of it is based on everyone "knows" someone. You know where I live, and hardly any of those who I know are claiming benefits have done so for the lifestyle choice.

And there are hardly any jobs on offer here either

jobs aren't in the paper though - you have to look online and there are plenty in my area - just most minumum wages - though a few franchise type jobs employing more mature people for two hours per day after school and earning £15 per hour term time only - but most are bar and reception and clening jobs - lots of clening jobs early morning or times to suit and those are above minimum wage