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to be really worried and not know what to do about this, if anything?

17 replies

smellmycheese · 26/07/2010 14:41

Firstly, I'm only posting in AIBU because it's busy and i'll get a quick response..

A couple of nights ago, some friends of ours came over for a drink. We haven't seen them for a while, and don't know them that well. (they're more friends of friends, but we've become a bit of a group in the last 6 months or so)

He is Pakistani, and she is white british. I tell you this, because i have no idea if this fact has any relevance to people in regards to what is acceptable and what is not.

Anyway, when we all get together, we have a drink and a good laugh, but we have noticed that he can be quite controlling. ie: telling her she shouldnt have anymore to drink, ordering her food for her. Nothing too serious, just little things that i wouldn't put up with from DP, but each to their own.

Well, the other night, they both got really drunk and ended up having an argument. Just a silly row about something he said she said etc. Anyway, during this argument, she shouted 'what are you going to do, hit me again??' in front of all of us. He then went mad, saying he had never touched her, how dare she etc.
She then started shouting about how his family had treated her and her first ds badly because 'they are white', turning their photos towards the wall when people visit, aksing her to 'share' him with an asian wife, telling her she can't wear make up or certain clothes. She then told us all that her DPs brother had punched her in the mouth during a family argument that she became involved in! He admitted all of the things said about how his family had treated her were true, but that he didn't agree with this, and he had been trying to get them to move out, but it was hard because in their culture, generations of families live together and they all own part of the house. At this point they were both really angry and shouting at each other, but she kept shrinking back from being angry and apologising to him, asking him to just forget it, before something else he said made her angry again. I took her into another room hoping they would both calm down.

Whe we were alone together, she said she is made to feel unwelcome in the home, although it 'hasn't been as bad since she had his ds' (her second) and that she spends most of her day on her own in her room, or with ds1. She said she is scared of them all, and that her DP has hit her in the past (although she was desperate to tell me it's not often! ) She also said that he pressures her to have sex with him when she doesn't want to. She ended by telling me that she drinks every night and takes sleeping pills because she's so unhappy.

I should also say that he was in the other room with my DP, and was very angry, swearing at my DP etc, but was still saying he had never ever touched her, or contributed to the way his family had treated her.

Anyway, once things had calmed down a bit he went home with a friend, and she stayed with us, and left in the early hours of the morning to go home.

She has since called me to say she's really sorry, she was just drunk and its all her fault. he has never ever hit her, and she made it up to make him look bad because they were arguing. Also that he has forgiven her and is the best partner in the world (her words) and that she doesn't want me to think badly of him.

He has also txt to say he's really sorry about it all. We have replied to them both to say that it's forgotten, everything is ok etc.

As i don't know either of them long term, it's impossible for me to honestly say what I believe. my natural instincts tell me that she was telling the truth. She is a very meek and mild, nervous person, and doesn't strike me as the sort that would lie to be cruel. However, I do know that she has had a lot of problems in the past (history of abuse in previous relationships) so, whilst i think this could be a case of her finding herself in another abusive relationship, could it also be her using her past experiences against him when she's really pissed off with him?

My question for you all is this? What would you do? Would you tell anyone the things she told me? Would you try to push her into talking to you again? Or would you just forget it, as it's none of your business?

I'm sorry this is long, but I have no experience whatsoever of domestic abuse, and if i am the only one she has ever told about this, I really don't want to let her down by dealing with it badly. I know a lot of people on MN have experience with this, and could really do with some advice on how to help her (or not?)
FWIW, i did strongly recommend her getting professional help for the things she has been through in life, but I don't think she will

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Colliecross · 26/07/2010 14:46

So do you think he has told her to say that she made up these allegations?
The whole thing sounds awful, but I am not sure what anyone can do if she wants to stay with him.

thefinerthingsinlife · 26/07/2010 14:46

You can ring womens aid and talk through your concerns with them, they are very helpful and will be able to give you some guidence.

HTH

LittleSilver · 26/07/2010 14:47

I think that's awful, but asides from supporting her and giving her Women's Aid info there's not an awful lot you can do.

However.

SS would probably be interested in knowing about domestic violence.

Altinkum · 26/07/2010 14:48

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smellmycheese · 26/07/2010 14:49

I really don't know Colliecross!

I have to admit that's the first thing that crossed my mind when i spoke to her. but then I start to feel really bad just in case he really hasn't hurt her, and i worry that i'm just jumping to defend her as she's the victim if that makes sense. If what she said wasn't true then he must be really upset that she would say that.

Although he has admitted to all the family stuff, which by itself is surely a big reason for concern..

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thefinerthingsinlife · 26/07/2010 14:54

Cheese he admitted his brother punched his wife during an arguement!

That is definately a major reason for concern, it is assult

ChippingIn · 26/07/2010 14:55

What I would do would be to leave it a couple of weeks and invite them and your mutual friends over for a BBQ or dinner etc. While she is there I would get her on her own - tell her that you understand everything is fine now (you don't have to believe it - just say it) and tell her that if she ever, ever needs a friend or somewhere to stay she just has to call or turn up on your doorstep (provided you would actually be OK with this). Tell her that Womens Aid are very good and give her the phone number but write another womans name on the bit of paper - not Womens Aid.

I wouldn't be at all suprised if she denies that she will need you/them and says it's all OK/lovely/wonderful now etc - but she will know that you are someone she can turn to when she needs someone and really, I think it's all you can do right now.

Haliborange · 26/07/2010 14:58

If she were my friend I would call her and say:

  • that whatever happens she'll still be my friend
  • that as she's asked me to forget about what she's said I won't mention it again
  • but that if she ever needs a place to go she and the children at welcome at my house.

Sometimes I think the best thing to do is to let people know they have an escape route and give them time to decide they'll use it.

Colliecross · 26/07/2010 14:58

Not everyone from a violent family continues the violence, but a lot do, don't they. And I agree her situation sounds awful, for her older child too.
She needs to go to Women's Aid and ask for help, and they will help her move herself and her children away from this. However, she has to want to do it and be able to go through with it, and her OH may make it very hard for her.
She sounds intimidated to say the least, but I don't see how anyone can help her unless she is ready to leave him. Many women put up with abuse for years and years.

smellmycheese · 26/07/2010 15:02

Thanks ChippingIn, that's the sort of thing I was intending on doing, I'm just so worried about making things any worse for her!

thefinerthingsinlife, i completely agree. My above comment was just in regards to HIM hitting her. I have no doubt that she is being treated very badly by his family. I guess i'm unsure as to whether I feel i should be helping her with her problems with him, or whether it may be them as a couple that needs help with their issues with his family? Sorry if this isn't making any sense, I'm trying to work out things in my head as well as trying to explain to you all.

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Chil1234 · 26/07/2010 15:02

I would suggest she visits you with her children and without her husband. Get the dialogue going rather than rely on one evening where everyone has had too much to drink and is saying things that may or may not be true.

The situation with his family is more serious. I would be tempted to invite myself round, see how the land lies and also let the family know that she has friends who care and who are keeping an eye on her.

ChippingIn · 26/07/2010 15:09

Chil - I (maybe mistakenly) assumed it would be difficult for her to visit without her DH (especially now) and I wouldn't want to make things worse for her, but yes, if she can visit by herself without making her situation worse - this would be better Sadly, with the kind of set-up the OP describes (extended family home) it is rare that friends outside their culture would be welcome and if the OP was just turn up, she would definitely make things worse, not better, for the OP.

smellmycheese · 26/07/2010 15:21

Chipping, ur right about me going round there, i don't think i'd be welcome. Normally, she would happily come and see me and dd without him, as our kids are the same age and we are off work on the same day, when both DPs are at work.

I've sent her a message as though everything is back to normal, asking her if she fancies meeting up at a softplay or something in the week. I will make sure she knows I am always here for her and the kids and they are welcome anytime day or night. I am 100% sure she will tell me not to be silly and that she doesn't need me.

I won't push things any further than that though for now. Would rather pretend it's forgotten, and have her close to me, than push things and have her distance herself from me if that makes sense?

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ChippingIn · 26/07/2010 16:24

I think that is the perfect solution.

I think, even if she pretends otherwise, she will glad to know you are there for her to fall back on.

I don't see how people who are brought up so differently find themselves living in situations like this... it puzzles me. One thing is for sure - I wouldn't end up in that situation - I'm far too gobby

DetectivePotato · 26/07/2010 19:13

I don't know what you can do if she won't admit to the situation when she is sober.

I would be inclined to believe what she was saying when she had had a few and I think that this is how some foreign men and their families treat a foreign wife. To them, women are second class citizens anyway and a white woman is worth even less than a woman from their own culture.

He will not change, neither will her family.

Being a friend to her is a good idea, she may start to open up to you more. I hope she leaves him tbh, he and his family sound awful.

smellmycheese · 26/07/2010 23:31

I have had an email from her, that she has sent to everyone who was there, to say that she wanted to admit she was lying, and he has never hurt her.

It even read, ''steve' doesnt know i'm sending this, but i want you all to know he has never laid a finger on me. I am not a battered wife or anything. I was drunk and spiteful and i was making it all up' (obv not his name!)

It smacks of him standing over her shoulder telling her what to write IYSWIM?

Have replied saying that it's all fine, it's all forgotten, but that she should know that I'm her friend and will always be there for her no matter what. Dont want to say too much more in case he reads it. Will try and talk to her face to face v soon. thanks for your advice so far everyone.

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hesteria · 26/07/2010 23:48

I would do exactly as ChippingIn advises. And then just be there. Be sure to invite her to visit regularly, but don't bring up the subject directly again- if she thinks you're looking for a resolution to her situation (before she's ready) she'll start to avoid you.

Let your house and your company be a welcome break for her from her own daily life. Let her see your own normal healthy life and your nice relationships with your partner and family. That will do more to help her extricate herself from her own situation than a lifetime of well-meant (but ultimately really stressful) advice.

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