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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

in not wanting my ex to have any contact with his children?

22 replies

NaturalRedhead · 25/07/2010 09:46

Well, yes, if that was all it was, if it was some normal responsible ex-husband that was a loving, caring, attentive father to his children, that would be unreasonable. Completely unreasonable. That's not the case here.

I'd like to give you some background. I'm not asking for judgement on my nor his actions, I'd just be grateful for an objective viewpoint.

I left my husband 6 years ago after his behaviour to the children became more and more appalling. I explained I needed a trial separation as things were getting progressively worse between us and there was constant friction and fighting in the house. He wouldn't have that idea and just walked out on us, without a word as to where he was going, and disappeared for a week.

The day he came back, he tried to emotionally blackmail the children by saying, "Mummy doesn't love me any more so Daddy is going to kill himself now. But remember I love you and always will, but Mummy doesn't want me so I have to go away." (Seriously, he actually said those words to two children of 4 and 6 years old. Outside, on the pavement, with the neighbours watching.)

I freaked out as his suicide attempt was just too close to what happened here. His suicide just wasn't as well planned. Luckily the police managed to find him before he did any harm to himself or others.

I took the children and left the UK, going to our holiday home to get away which is where we had planned on moving to later that year anyway. Our divorce went through in 2006 and I have been here ever since.

My question I would like advice with is this: If I come back to live in England do I have to notify my deranged ex-husband to the whereabouts of the children? And given as he has already tried twice now to snatch them with lies and trickery, I want to keep him from tracking me down or taking my children while I fight him in court for custody. We had a simple divorce, no further arrangements were made for the children other than they lived with me.

He has not paid a penny in support in all these years, has 'no known address' so he can't be tracked and works on the black so it looks like he is poor. (But can afford trips to the States to visit internet girlfriends. I have no problem with him having girlfriends, we're divorced and I've moved on certainly, I simply have a problem with his financial priorities.)

I quit giving him my home address because he was leaving disgusting things in the postbox, however, he has had access in the past to see them away from our actual home. But even though he has had a mailing address he does not send Christmas or Birthday cards or presents or even so much as a letter or postcard to his children, even though he promises them such in infrequent text messages or emails. (ONE text message for two children just doesn't cut it as a Christmas present.)

Every time he does come to see the children he never notifies us in advance so we can be ready and make sure we don't have anything else planned. He attempts to terrorise us and these last two visits has attempted to spread lies to the local police declaring I've kidnapped HIS children. (The first time, as we all stood in the Police Station together, the Police officer wryly said, "these children are happy, healthy and obviously well-adjusted and they've been away 5 years from the UK, so, are you saying you've just noticed they were gone?" The second time the Police said, "Didn't we go over this last time?")

As I see it, this isn't about the children it's about terrorising me, it's about control and manipulating the situation to HIS wants, not what the children want. They have had so little contact, and what contact they've had has been fraught with such stress, raised voices and general bad feelings, that they no longer wish to have anything to do with him.

I don't think they should be required to see him if it is not an enjoyable and worthwhile experience. Furthermore, seeing as he has behaved like a nonchalant sperm donor up to now, I don't see why I should force them to do so. But I do welcome different perspectives, viewpoints and objective voices on this situation, as I cannot distance myself enough from it and I know this.

Thank you for reading this, I know it was long but I wanted to shed some light on my situation. If you have any words of guidance to share with me, it would be most gratefully received.

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Gibbon · 25/07/2010 09:58

If I understand correctly, that your ex attempted suicide and your children were involved/present, then of course YANBU.

Chil1234 · 25/07/2010 10:02

YANBU. However, to save yourself the worry of whether it is right or not, have you considered formalising the access arrangements via the courts? Given his track record I can't see any reasonable judge not agreeing with you.

hairytriangle · 25/07/2010 10:02

Yanbu

SolidGoldBrass · 25/07/2010 10:07

CHil1234 is right, get it formalised that this arsehole is only to be allowed supervised contact at a contact centre and cannot have your address. Given that his idiotic behaviour will be on record due to the police involvement, you shouldn't have any trouble.

NaturalRedhead · 25/07/2010 10:29

Thank you for your very prompt responses!
LEGALLY do I need to notify of my move to the UK or of their movements before I get custody??

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GypsyMoth · 25/07/2010 10:32

he took the kids and tried to kill them too as with the wales story?? or just himself??

has he taken this to court at all??

he needs to....you should have a section 7 report done via cafcass. hand this over to the authorities to deal with.....i did with my ex who con tinually tried the 'suicide' route

fathers gain access even in prison,so its not down to you here....not enough detail to what he's actually done either. can you elaborate as its all from your viewpoint?

sgb....idiotic behaviour would be no barrier alone to him gaining access to his kids either....recorded by police or not

Morloth · 25/07/2010 10:35

Honestly, I wouldn't come back to the UK with them.

Right now he has to get on a plane to cause hassle and you have the local police on your side.

Obviously you shouldn't have to live abroad but being closer to him could be dangerous.

NaturalRedhead · 25/07/2010 11:34

The Wales case upset me, he knew that, so, he tried gassing himself in the car, like a copycat, the children were with me as NO WAY would I allow him to take them with him when he was in such a state that day (he'd been drinking, crying and looked 'odd', his behaviour worried me.)
TBH, I am frightened to give out TOO much personal info concerning this as I know he has stalked forums before looking for me.

My concerns are for the safety and well-being of the children, if there is a way I can bar him having contact or prevent him knowing I'm back home, it would be for the best for the them. And, it's actually what THEY want. No contact.

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GypsyMoth · 25/07/2010 11:50

how old are they?

so it was a suicide attempt.....nothing to do with the dc as they were safe with you? (how was this like the wales suicide??)

well course he wont know you're back til he somehow finds out....who would tell him? would you return to area you know?

SolidGoldBrass · 25/07/2010 11:51

Get Women's Aid to recommend you a solicitor who is good at dealing with abusive arsehole men. I think given how dangerous he sounds, what you want is a total ban on him contacting any of you ie complete non-molestation order or something of that kind. It may be that you don't have to let him know that you are back in the UK - but are there other family members or friends who cannot be trusted to keep quiet?

PosieParker · 25/07/2010 11:55

I wouldn't come back if I were you, I'd move further away!!

mumeeee · 25/07/2010 12:09

YANBU

Vallhala · 25/07/2010 12:17

I wouldn't dream of coming back if I were you, no matter what.

mumof2children · 25/07/2010 12:18

a difficult one, as there is always indirect contact.

where you could send him pictures and write letter on how they are doing, and he could send letter back via his solocter (sp) to yours.

if your children do then want contact in later life, at least then your have an adresss to give them.

i can understand you wanting to keep your children safe

BabyDubsEverywhere · 25/07/2010 12:22

If they were 4 & 6 at the time and you've been there 5 years the children are at least 9 & 11, d they not get to decide by this age if they want contact r not? F not I wouldn't cme back until they are allowed to legally decide.

NaturalRedhead · 25/07/2010 12:29

Sorry ILoveTiffany, but I'm not going to add any more information about this than I already have provided in my original posts. Thank you for your questions. If you have any answer to my original question I'd be grateful for your insights on what I have to inform him of and whether I am putting the children and myself unavoidably at extra risk by coming back home to the UK. For example, would registering the children at a school or doctor's mean that he would be notified by the authorities? (I suppose if he's 'no known address' it would be difficult, still, there's always a chance they'd contact his relative.) Should I contact a social worker first to ensure that it gets treated with due sensitivity? I'm looking for practical advice. Like the 7 report done via cafcass (no idea what that means, but, I'm Googling it!) and the suggestion to contact Women's Aid. Thank you for that, those are concrete things I can do.

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whatifihadneverbothered · 25/07/2010 12:38

I honestly don't think that you have to inform him of your whereabouts, however you may want to vheck this out with the social services in the area you are looking to move to. I think from what you have said they may advise that you don't tell him tbh.

Good luck

whatifihadneverbothered · 25/07/2010 12:41

BTW you do not have to tell schools either unless he has parental responsibility I think, my son's school only allows known people to pick the children up, and GP's do not have to tell him your whereabouts.

GypsyMoth · 25/07/2010 12:48

i had to ask the ages as i know cafcass listen more to children of a certain age!!

GypsyMoth · 25/07/2010 12:50

the reasons i ask is because i've been through similiar.....and got no contact from the judge !!

section 7
cafcass
forensic pshycologicl asessment
dv unit at police station

cant help with more than that

DetectivePotato · 25/07/2010 12:54

I don't know the legal rights and whether you would have to tell him. Personally, I don't think you would have to.

I would probably stay abroad until the kids were adults too, just to be on the safe side.

ChilledChick2 · 25/07/2010 23:57

What I would be worried about would be the lengths he may go to to track you down (he's gone to the lengths and tried to kill himself). If you were a mumsnet member before you parted, and he knew that, it would make sense to browse through here until he finds a thread too close to his situation to ignore.

If you are planning to move, you could call SS and tell them the details of what's happened. They should be able to advise you on your next step.

Good luck.

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