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AIBU?

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Loriens · 14/07/2010 22:01

This is my very first post although I?ve been bit of a lurker since the birth of my DGS 9 months ago. Please be patient with me while I sort out the acronyms and abbreviations etc. This is not really my issue but having been asked for advice from my DIL I thought I would ask for other people?s thoughts and advice. It is a bit of a long post so I am thanking you in advance if you get to the end!

I just want to give a bit of background (which I realise is completely irrelevant but may help you understand my involvement). My DS (21) met my DIL (22) an extremely short time before DGS was conceived. DIL has had a troubled childhood, went through an emotional court case at the age of 16 (resulting in her leaving school with little or no qualifications), has many family issues and some (understandably) insecurities. When DS and DIL met she had just returned from a few weeks volunteering in Africa and wasn?t working. She has had a few jobs since leaving school including care work, shop work etc. DS is not a high earner (min. wage) but with a little help managed to secure a mortgage on a little cottage and is very determined that DIL and DGS will have as secure and stable life as he can give them.

Following the birth of DGS, DIL suffered from PND. We (DH, myself and all the rest of our extended and close family) have given them as much support as we can ? I love DIL which is probably why this has upset me so much today as I feel so hurt for her.

DIL was very overwhelmed as new mums can be and found being with people is a lot easier. As I mentioned, the whole family rallied round with support and encouragement and lots of coffee and cake! DS?s Godmother (my best friend) has her and DGS for lunch on a Tuesday, my mother takes them out on Wednesday and we encouraged her to go to baby group etc. to meet other new mums. She would count the weeks down until half term/ Christmas break etc so that I would be off work and she could spend the day time with me which is lovely when I read some of the posts about the dreaded MIL. DGS also goes to amazing nursery one day a week to give DIL a break.

Anyway by the time DGS was six months old DIL found a little job at a little coffee shop that we frequent. It is a charity run shop and was a paid position for 12 hours a week. She filled in an application form specifying the days that she could work (Friday as DGS is at nursery, Wednesday as her own Nanna and my mum could share the care and Saturdays as DS is at home ? or me during the rugby season!!)

She also offered at the interview to cover holidays and sickness when possible---any school holiday as I am available and if she is given enough notice to arrange childcare at other times. She has stated from the beginning that she can never work on a Tuesday (except in school holidays) as she has no child care.

Since she began in April she has worked an average of 22 hours a week. This has included a couple of full time weeks and 16 hours on other weeks. Her work has proved satisfactory and she has gone in at short notice. She has also worked occasionally as a volunteer in times of dire need! She was told that there would be a possibility of 16 hours contracted work as opposed to ad hoc which would then mean that they would be eligible for help with Childcare tax credits. She loves this job and enjoys working with the other paid assistant and the volunteers.

Two weeks ago her Granddad died suddenly in the early hours of a day she was due to work. She doesn?t have a great relationship with her mum and her grandparents have played a large part in bringing her up. She lived with them at particular troubling times. She came to me in the early morning extremely distraught and at my suggestion she phoned work and said she wouldn?t be in that day.

She went back to work the next time she was due in and was asked to cover for the other paid assistant to work the day of her Granddad?s funeral. Obviously she declined. The day following the funeral she was due to work again. Following the funeral service DS came to collect DGS from me as DIL was going to spend some time with her family. From the sound of it huge rows broke out between DIL?s family members. DIL was accused of trying to be ?someone? because she BF for a few weeks, delayed solids until 6 months, sends DGS to a nursery and needed to F* off to her ?perfect little family?. She was also accused of ?palming? DGS off to her Nanna. The past (court case etc) was also brought up and DIL was considerably distressed by it all as was her poor bereaved Nanna.

She phoned her colleague that night as her line manager was off work due to her own family bereavement and asked her to work the following day for her and she would return the ?swap?. Without going into details she mentioned that her Nanna would be unable to have the baby due to the bereavement (my mum was on holiday)
and also she (DIL) was extremely distressed herself. The colleague agreed to cover her shift. The next day colleague popped into work but did not mention that DIL had phoned her or that she had agreed to cover the shift. DIL got a call asking where she was and once explained was told that it was fine. A couple of weeks have passed.

Today (the point of my post) DIL went to work and was told that if she wants to increase her hours she needs to ?prove? herself and that it is her job to ?support? the other colleague. It was a very negative conversation but no mention has been made of why the other girl agreed to work and then did not turn in. She came home once again distraught. She had asked what she could do to ?prove? herself but was not given an answer. The other colleague keeps threatening to resign when she can?t get a day off that she wants!

So I suppose my AIBU is my suggestion that it may help if DIL writes down all the circumstances of the last few weeks including the extra hours, the circumstances of the colleague not turning in etc. I think she feels like she did not fight her own corner today. Do you think this may make a bad situation worse?

Apologies for the extremely long post, other perspectives would be much appreciated!

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HecateQueenOfWitches · 14/07/2010 22:03

I think it would be a very good idea for her to do that if they are treating her unfairly.

Loriens · 14/07/2010 22:07

Thank you for a very speedy response- I suppose in my long winded way I wanted someone else to agree her employer is being unfair. Sorry again for such a long post although writing it down makes it seem like something from Jeremy Kyle !

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FakePlasticTrees · 14/07/2010 22:11

She should keep a note of everything, and make sure she has her line manager's home contact details as it looks like she can't trust other colleagues to pass on messages. If there's an answering machine at the coffee shop, it might be worth making sure as well as calling her manager if she needs to be off again, she should call there and leave a voicemail just in case.

And if her family are being arsey because she's being a good mother and trying to provide a more stable home than she had herself, then it's great she's got you to lean on.

chitchat07 · 14/07/2010 22:15

Writing it down is an excellent idea. She needs to write it down and ask that it be included in her personnel file. Then the real situation is recorded regardless of what the rumour/gossip is.

Do you know whether the negative comments were made by way of a verbal disciplinary procedure? If so, then a record of it would be placed on her personnel file, and a written response by her would be absolutely vital for her.

She should also keep a track of what days she works, hours, duties (to prove that she has 'responsible' duties and is trustworthy) and why she is working them, ie are they her proper shift hours or is she filling in for someone else (and it wouldn't hurt to include WHY she is filling in for someone else: were they ill, was it just a day off), and how much notice she was given for the shift (shows how cooperative she is for last minute fill ines).

If she feels that a particular colleague is not pulling their weight with regard to covering their own shifts, refusing to do extra, it wouldn't hurt to keep a record of that as well - but keep it in a separate book. This is not to be utilised lightly or she could look quite bad in the eyes of management - she should only use this if she is being disciplined unfairly or something like that.

Oh and you sound like you have a fabulous relationship with your DIL, both you and she are very fortunate!

SnailWhaleTail · 14/07/2010 22:17

I think it's definitely worth a letter too, so that your DIL can express herself clearly.

What a shame they seem not to value her as she enjoys the job and appears to have tried really hard as an employee.

iamfabregasted · 14/07/2010 22:19

Can I have you as my MIL? Please??

I echo all the other posts, write it down, get the boss's home number, maybe ask for a meeting with the boss that you or someone else could attend with her?

IFancyKevinELevin · 14/07/2010 22:19

..and this place calls itself a Charity! Heavens above!

Is there someone over and above her line manager she can speak to?

Documenting it all is a good idea. She is being treated unfairly.

I know it may seem overwhelming given her background, but could she find a part time job in say Asda Cafe? Not as rewarding I know, but with benefits and support and a "structure" for staff?

Good luck, you sound a lovely family, hope I become as nice a mum/MIL as you when my DS grows up!

Oh, and she should stay away from her other family, what a waste of space they sound.

hairytriangle · 14/07/2010 22:19

Loriens what a lovley lady you seem, and how lovely that you have supported your DIL as you have. It warms my heart to read

I really feel for your DIL. I think your suggestion is a really good one. It sounds like they are treating her quite unfairly.

Firawla · 14/07/2010 22:25

yes sounds like a good idea and you sound a very nice mil

potplant · 14/07/2010 22:27

Be careful not to introduce the 'emotional' backstory. Whilst its fine to say that she couldn't work as she was attending her grandfather's funeral, the rough family, PND etc is irrelevant.

Presumably the manager thinks that she may be unreliable having missed a day she was supposed to work. Her 'proof' is all the other times when she has worked extra hours, worked without pay etc and this was an unavoidable one off.

Loriens · 14/07/2010 22:29

FakePlasticTrees

Thank you for replying- she did try and call her manager at home, I suppose I feel some reponsibility as it was my suggestion when she couldn't get hold of the manager that DIL at least asked the colleague to cover for her so that somebody would turn up in the morning to work.

And yes she is a great mother - completely bias but DGS is a very happy contented boy.

I just wish her family would be happy for her as she craves their love and approval so much

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IFancyKevinELevin · 14/07/2010 22:38

She doesn't need them Loriens - she has you.

A huge waste of energy and heartache wasting time on them. You are all her family.

Am slightly as mine and DH's family are both like hers, we'd love one of you!

StayFrosty · 14/07/2010 22:46

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Loriens · 14/07/2010 22:54

Cross posted so thank you all for the responses.

Thank you for the nice MIL comments, I am blushing here. I do consider myself very fortunate to have such a lovely DIL.

Potlant, I agree about not bringing in the emotional side, I was trying to give you (the readers) the backstory. I have also told her that she needs to be strictly factual.

I also would never say to her that I think her family are awful so it was quite theraputic for me to write it down anonymously.

Chitchat- extremely helpful post. I am not sure if it was a verbal disciplinary but will find out. As mentioned by iamfabregasted would it be unreasonable for her to request a meeting and have someone/me attend with her? I know that they /I cannot speak for her but moral support may be good?

As for the charity, it prides itself on support particularly to do with bereavement which is another reason I am annoyed today! In addition, no mention was made of her absences just that the other girl needs support so that she won't leave and DIL needs to 'prove' herself which I suppose could mean her unreliability.

It is so frustrating-- the urge to protect your children (children in law) doesn't go away!!

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chitchat07 · 15/07/2010 00:05

If it's disciplinary, then she is entitled to have someone with her if she requests a meeting. If not, I'm not sure she can (or should).

Have a read of this, it should be helpful for you:

Discipline and Grievance procedures

Loriens · 15/07/2010 06:56

Thank you Chitchat - I have had a read. I think we need to determine first if this was a verbal disciplinary and take it from there.

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