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DH wants to try dd on a dairy free diet. Not sure what to do.

19 replies

mumtodd · 27/09/2007 21:19

Hi, I've posted about dd before but never came to a decision about what to do. She is nearly 17 months now and has had eczema since she was 8 weeks old. She was breastfed til 10 months and weaned to solids at 6 months. We tried various remedies, creams etc. but never saw much improvement. When she was a year old she had an allergic reaction to egg which meant we got a referral to an allergy specialist. At this stage I was hoping we might find the cause of the eczema but her RAST and skin tests came back negative for everything other than egg. The doctor was fairly dismissive about the eczema and sid it was mild-moderate and she will probably grow out of it. We continued to use the emollients and her skin actually improved a bit and shw would have good weeks followed by flare ups but nothing too bad. In the last few weeks I have been weaning her off formula and her skin has been a lot worse. It is actually worse now than ever. DH had allergies as a child and was dairy and wheat free for years. He wants me to try dd on a dairy fee diet but I am not sure there is any point. Her tests showed she isn't allergic and any way isn't formula dairy? He thinks we would see results within a few days if dairy is a problem.
I am a bit reluctant as my GP is very against the idea of putting a small child on a dairy free diet. Also dd has a very small appetite so I am afraid she will not be getting enough calories. On the other hand her poor legs and feet are in a bad state at the moment and it is disrupting her sleep.
Any thoughts or advice welcome. Sorry for the long post.

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Budababe · 27/09/2007 21:28

DS went dairy free at about 16/18 months. Same story as you - had had eczema off and on - nothing really helped. Got much worse when I started weaning off formula. Were living in Bulgaria at the time and took him to a paed who straight away said to go dairy free. She prescribed a hypoallergenic formula - Nestle Nan. We avoided all the obv and found nice goats cheese - even a goats cheese "Laughing Cow" type spread. It worked really well.

Did it for about a year and then re-introduced dairy although he had been having a bit of chocolate - couldn't deny him that!

Is fine now (he's 6) and can and does eat LOADS of cheese but doesn't drink milk of eat many yoghurts.

Isababel · 29/09/2007 17:43

There are some good reasons why people are reluctanct to pur a small child on a dairy free diet. They are growing up and at this stage the fat and calcium in the milk provide most of what the brain and the bones do need to develop.

However, if you find the right substitutes to maintain healthy levels of calcium and fat there is no reason why this should be a problem.

You don't need to put a child in a restricted diet for months to see a difference. If you are consistant and do not let any dairy get into her food, you would be able to see some difference after 2-3 weeks. If you don't... no need to continue with a restrictive diet.

Tests, unfortunately, are not perfect. DS was positive for milk in RAST and ELISA tests, but negative on a skin prick one. However... now that he has been dairy free diet we can see the effects milk has on him, before then we just thought DS was "just like that" now we know it was the milk that was causing it.

Isababel · 29/09/2007 17:44

pur? puT!

CantSleepWontSleep · 29/09/2007 17:52

I would give it a try. If it makes no diff in a few weeks then you can just put her back on dairy and no harm done.

Use rice milk with added calcium (available in all major supermarkets) instead (no need for hard to obtain hypoallergenic formula), and give her a varied diet otherwise to ensure that she isn't missing on other nutrients. (dd's paed recommended this, so I'm not just making it up!).

Yes formula is dairy, but it's been faffed around with to make it 'milder', so you don't see the full effect.

I wouldn't substitute goats' products though - the proteins are VERY similar to cows, so if she is allergic to one then she's likely to be allergic to the other too (there are exceptions, but not that many).

berrybliss · 29/09/2007 18:07

As a child I was allergic to dairy milk and suffered from eczema. I was put on a non dairy diet, i drank goats milk up until the age of 7 when the allergy stopped (dairy allergies run in 7 year cycles not sure why??)I also drank soya and rice milk which i can rember didn't go down too well, the taste i think!! But you can also get calcium from lots of different foods, breads appricots etc. the doctors gave my parents a dietry plan to make sure my diet was as balanced as possible.

Magicmayhem · 30/09/2007 09:34

When you say dairy free are you thinking about just cutting out her formular and using soya milk or rice milk instead? or are you going to go 100% dairy free and cut out all dairy products? biscuits, cakes, butter, sweets, crisps... my DS went dairy free at about 4 months old and I was supprised how much dairy/milk is in everything... I don't remember his excema clearing up after a few days ... more like weeks

Good luck

mumtodd · 30/09/2007 13:22

Thanks for all the replies.
I still haven't made a decision on this. DD has had a bad cold for over a week and became very wheezy on Friday night. The doctor is worried and tried her on the nebulizer yesterday. Poor dd was terrified of it and we have to give up so now she is on a 3 day course of steroids. Now I am in terror that she is developing asthma. I don't want to upset her by making any changes to her diet while she is ill.

It is interesting to see that you all think it will take a few weeks to see a difference on the dairy free diet as dh and mil are convinced it will show within a few days. I think they are being too optimistic.

DD doesn't eat a lot of buns, cakes, bicuits etc anyway because of her egg allergy but I can see that it will not be easy to be completely dairy free. I am going to do plenty of research and planning if we do go ahead with it and decide what she will be able to eat well in advance.

Interestingly enough the doctor we saw yesterday at the out-of-hours service said that eczema is rarely food related. This seems to be the opinion of the gps we have seen.

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Nightynight · 30/09/2007 13:51

the med profession always plays down food - illness links though. It is rare, but you know that food reaction runs in your family.

I would try it for 3 weeks, see what happens. But be sure that she is 100% dairy free for that time, so that you wont have any doubts.

It may be a long shot, but would give huge benefit if it turned out to be true.

Magicmayhem · 30/09/2007 17:19

My DS has a dairy allergy and when he was a baby it looked like he'd been burnt where dairy had come into contact with his face and caused excema. we took him off all dairy produce at about 4 months old ie. gave him soya fomular which he hated at first and weaned him on 100% dairy free food. This was a major PITA as there is not the food information there is nowdays... (DS is 9 btw) I cooked all his food from scratch..

Anyway to cut a long story short we had him allergy tested when he was 2.. he has skin prick tests and was allergic to All dairy, Eggs and peanuts. and was given an epi-pen.

if you do decide to go dairy free do check all labels.. casin, lactose, whey are all dairy products...
My DS can have:-
birds eye fish fingers.. not the batter ones though
Birds eye chicken burgers
hovis bread -
birds eye potato waffles...

sorry your DD is poorly... good luck

edam · 30/09/2007 17:26

I think your instinct about not changing her diet radically when she's ill is probably right.

If you do want to experiment by cutting out dairy, make sure you substitute other sources of calcium and nutrients such as vit. A and D. Milk is the most-easily absorbed source of calcium so it's not as simple as adding a bit of spinach. Try eatwell.gov.uk - Food Standards Agency site, probably the most sensible advice on children's diets (ie from people who aren't making any money by selling dodgy 'food intolerance' tests or vitamins).

Nightynight · 30/09/2007 22:10

sorry edam, cannot resist a wry smile at your first line. If Id followed that "instinct" I would still be ill today.

edam · 30/09/2007 22:16

I meant Mumtodd's instinct.

Tartanmam · 30/09/2007 22:18

to echo nighty night, my ds had a constant cold, was very wheezy unsettled from about six months onwards (when i started weaning him). After an obvious allergic reaction to either egg or buttermilk i cut out egg as the HV told me there was no way he was allergic to dairy as i would have known about it and then two months later when he has some cream he had another bad reaction. I cut out all butter, biscuits etc containing milk and he got much better.

He is still prone to wheezing when he has a cold but i thats a whole other issue.

purpleduck · 30/09/2007 22:21

So many of these posts remind me of my ds when he was a lo. We took him to a homeopath, and it really sorted him out. He is still sensitive to dairy, and I have to moniter it but nothing like his first reaction when he broke out in hives all the way down his throat as the milk was going down

Good luck!

Tartanmam · 30/09/2007 22:21

sorry xpost with edam.

You do need to trust your instinct but i've found health professionals to very totally variable about putting children on dairy free diets, my HV's are all horrified at the idea but my GP and the pead i saw about ds's allergies were not concerned, calcium seems to be the main issue.

Isababel · 30/09/2007 23:38

Just as a side comment... we have realised that since DS is in a dairy free diet he is no longer wheezing or had the stuffy nose he ALWAYS had when on milk.

TheWorstMotherInTheWorld · 01/10/2007 00:25

Tho it would help to find the cuase, if any, of the eczema you could try the following, which have helped relieve my 2 DDs mild eczema a LOT in terms of itching and dryness:

De-clorinate their bathwater. We bought the vit C shower-head from allergybestbuys.co.uk and used the crystal ball thingy before that.

Stop using detergent in your washing machine, try wash balls (ours were from the above website) or soapnuts.

Put calendula oil in the bath-water. Weleda do a nice one.

HTH

fihi · 01/10/2007 00:49

I have 2 DS who are dairy free, DS1 fom 20mo and DS2 from birth. both BF til 10mo. DS1 had eczema and DS2 has asthma. Goats milk is fab, and from reading research articles it seems that it really helps eczema, and it certainly did in our case. we also were advised that we give some soya products too (he has yogurt, 'ice cream' and milkshakes from soya milk) to keep his diet balanced. he's nearly 7 and still dairy free, skin loads better and even goes swimming without too many probs (but lots of vaseline on b4...)

From our experience it's possible to keep your child's diet well balanced - for a start they're not eating lots of stuff with additives in because you either check all the labels or do everything with fresh produce and make it yourself, which i think is a bonus with going dairy free! My DS has been tracked by the hospital all the way through, ie for 5 years or so, and has no deficiencies and no probs with weight gain or growth. He was slightly anaemic when he was 2.5, which was sorted with iron medicine for a short time, but that seems to be related to the fact that he's intolerant to anything cow-related and has a poor digestive system. As he gets older that seems to be repairing and he absorbs more nutrients from food. hopefully as your main concern is eczema, without intolerance tummy-wise, you wouldn't have the same prob.

good luck with whatever you decide
IMHO it might be worth a month or so trial.

mummypig · 01/10/2007 02:27

Mumtodd, I really think it would be worth having a go at this, although I do agree that you won't see results in just a few days - 10 days to 2 weeks might be more like it. But imagine if it does really make the difference to your lo's eczema - you will be very pleased that you have established the cause.

An intolerance to cow's milk protein won't show up on skin-prick tests or RAST as it works in a different way to a classical allergy. Unfortunately this is one reason why medics often dismiss talk of intolerances as having no basis in reality.

My ds1 had really bad colic as a baby. He was fully breastfed up to about 8 months, but cutting out all cow's milk and cow's milk products in my diet really made a huge difference. Once I had cut it all out, just eating one yoghurt in the morning made him scream again in the evening. I am a scientist by training, so I wouldn't have reached this conclusion just on a whim (as many medics tried to imply). I tried to reintroduce cow's milk into my/his diet at various points and he always reacted to it - right up to about 4 years old. I am so glad we established this was the cause of his colic, otherwise he would have gone on being a miserable baby for ages. On talking to our parents, it emerged that both my dp and I had an intolerance to cow's milk as children and had been brought up on goat's milk - so perhaps we should have suspected this earlier. I would really advise you try cutting out cow's milk, especially given your dh's history.

I was also concerned about calcium intake but there is some really good advice on the vegan society pages, and we also saw a dietitian at the local hospital who gave us a handy way of working out calcium in his food. I used to make sure he had lots of bread (as he could tolerate this), hoummous, eggs, nuts, salmon or sardines and green leafy vegetables (luckily he loved broccoli) and we gave him calcium-fortified orange juice too. If necessary you can use liquid calcium supplements but we didn't feel we needed to.

Although ds1 never had severe eczema, we have some friends whose ds1 did, and his condition also improved dramatically on a dairy-free diet. He grew out of it quicker than our ds - luckily, as someone at his nursery gave him a full glass of milk when he was about 1 yo .

If you want to learn more about food intolerances I would really recommend this book as it was my 'bible' through those difficult first years. And I notice that there's even an Amazon review from someone on the board of the National Eczema Society!

It is tough cutting out all foods with cow's milk in them - as magicmayhem and others have said, there are loads of foods containing milk - and I ended up making most of our food from scratch, which was probably healthier for all of us but could be very time-consuming for me. I still think it was well worth it.

apologies for the really long message

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