children with Hayfever

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is anyone elses child suffering badly with hayfever at the moment? My ds2 (5) is feeling really rough with it and i feel sorry for him that he is being kept inside at school playtimes when all his friends are out He is such a boisterous little lad as well so it really goes against the grain with him!

Thanks gloworm , and thank you for the 'lonk' too .

Another vote here for ABCdophilus and also 'Naturalife echinacea for kids'. My niece had to undergo intenseive antibiotic treatment from 2 months on, and my sister really feels that both ABCdophilus and echinacea have worked wonders in acheiving a balance again. Funnily enough we were discussing the cost of ABCdophilus earlier today, and my sister is adamant it's worth every penny .

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the reason I usually suggest Bioforce over Natralife is that the bioforce one keeps indefinatly and the naturafife one has to be used within a shortish period of time.

also for those interested bioforce also do a special kids complex which contain echinacea and plantago (a herb which helps with ear infections). this is a great one for children who get a cold with ear infection/very mucusy/sore throat

levanna, sounds like we have the same kids first aid box...bet you have tea tree oil and arnica cream too

robin, if your interested Solgar have found evidence that acidophilus can cause wind in babies and children...they have different bacteria in their gut and in fact dont have acidophilus in their gut until they are older. this is why i always recommend the ABCdophilus. its also dairy free.
i can find you a link if you want

Gloworm
Thanks for the advice will do it asap. The chest issues I don't know. When ds was born he when straight to neonatal due to meconium aspiration - basically inhaled it / swallowed it ......
He was on breathing apparatus for 2 weeks .
Not nice at all & I am convinced that he has a "weaker" chest because of this drama. So for me it seems that he always has a slight "chest". Might just be hayfever now which does add flem to the system. Not sure but never such an issue to go to GP. And ds was cleared by GP & pediatrition when he went for the checks round 2 months.
So I will def try your advice (for myself as well).

Thanks!

yup gloworm, tea tree and arnica not to mention lavender, belladonna, chamamilla, arsenicum and gels. too .
My DD seems to be an arsenicum album 'type' and it's turning out to be a wonderful all rounder .

Just wanted to add, when DD had a raging temp recently, I gave her belladonna but took her straight to G.P.'s, though the belladonna hadn't quite had a chance to take effect, my G.P. was astounded that DD was bounding around the room and giggling happily with a temp of 104F! She went on to 'concede' that the belladonna must indeed have been doing it's stuff. Naturally, it went on to drop the temp right down .

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capie, hoprfully the echineacea and ABCdophilus should boost immune system and in turn help chest...if any futher chest problems arise just ask, there are a few excellent chest remedies.

levanna, my GP would never "concede" to anything I had to say

robin, i will ask the Solgar rep. next time I see her, i hadn't noticed the casein before...i assume the dairy free bit must refer to the fact that I can sell it off the shelf and don't have to keep it in a fridge (although you should keep it in the fridge as it will keep better/longer). obviously this is an issue for people with a dairy allergy.
What is xylitol? i've never heard of it! unfortunatly there are quite a few thing unavailable in Ireland...either they just haven't made it over here yet, or its been banned (like st johns wort and ginkgo )

Bioforce Echinacea can be taken continually. once as day as a preventative or 3 times a day to get rid of cold/infection/or when your immune system is low. any rumours you have heard about needing a break were based on a german report which was mis-translated into english instead of saying "do not need to take a break", it was translated as "NEED to take a break"

forgot to say, I cant find the bit about baby bacteria online...i will type it in here later if i remember to bring it home from work. from what i can remember, its something about acidophilus producing a form of lactic acid that choldren cannot handle...more later!

sorry to but in here but does anyone have any advice on bifidobacterium infantis (biocare) for a 4 year old instead of acidophillus?

sleepless- B.infantis is just one of the bacteria found in infants/childrens gut. they all do slightly different things. the reason i usually recommend the Solgar ABC one is that it contains a good mixture of all the main ones (including B.infantis).

Robin-this is the info from Solgar, I know its not exactly evidence but is best I can find for now. if you want names of research parers/journals just let me know and i'll see what I can do:

ABCdophilus powder is a probiotic formula especially for infants and children. 3 strains of friendly bacteria- B.bifidum, B.infantis, S.thermophilus- are naturally found in the human digestive system and are the predominant bacteria found in the large intestine of infants and children.

The bacteria, L.acidophilus has not been included in this formula as it produces forms of lactic acid that are poorly tolerated by infants.

S.thermophilus, a friendly bacteria commonly found in yoghurt, has similar beneficial action as bifidus strains. More importantly for infants and children S.thermophilus produces lactase (an enzyme necessary for the digestion of the milk sugar, lactose).

what do you recommend i do with the £40.00!!!!!! worth of biocare acidophillus and bifidophillus infantum (apart from cry into it!!!)

thats a bit of a dilemma Sleepless!!
Have you opened it yet? Can you take it back and exchange it?

Or you could look at it like this, the acidophilus comments are by one company...another company may claim something else. in such case it may be fine to use.

Solgar do a fantastic amount of research into their products and lead the way with many new concepts/developments. I have to say I have great trust in what they say and in the way they put together their products.

Lot of money to waste if you can't take it back, sorry dont really know what to advice

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the only comment i can think of is that while acidopilus may have helped the diarrhoea, it did not mention wether the children suffered any ill-effects such as wind/colic/other GI disturbances.

at the end of the day its up to everyone to find out what works for them. before we discovered solgars claim, we used acidophilus on our son. we had mild improvment, a few months later we tried the solgar baby one and noticed massive improvements.

apart from anything else there are good quality companies and poor quality companies. so at the very least I am assured that the bacteria are getting to the right place in the gut (with some companues the bacteria never make it past the stomach acid!) and they contain a high ammount of bacteria (some companies dont contain a fraction of the ampunt stated on the label!)

I have contacted Solgar re:casein and re:evidence for claim. will let you know when they reply.

robin, i'm still trying to get to the bottom of solgars claims. the casein appears as an ingredient on the american site (i think this is the one i posted). the UK site doesnt list casein as an ingredient...it quite clearly states no excipients, just bacteria. all the litriture i have at work also say no excipients.
so, maybe they do one product in US and dlightly diferent in UK.
Or, maybe the US website is pout of date.
This is starting to bug me now so I am going to phone solgar today. thanks for bringing to my attention.

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sorry this dairy free thing seems to have taken over the hayfever thread ...have any of you tried any of the remedies? I love to hear if you have!

Robin, I have spoken to Solgar and she has emailed me the answers about the ABCdophilus.
She said:

"Hello Sharon,

Further to our conversation yesterday, here is the information on probiotics as requested.

You may have noticed that the labels on the probiotic products no longer state that they are Dairy Free. There has not been a change in the actual product, just in labelling regulations. The products contain a trace amount of casein (approximately 2 parts per billion) that would not normally be associated with allergic reactions, but still needs to be stated according to new labelling laws.

With regard to your second query, there are a few experts in the field of nutrition, such as Leon Chaitow, who advise that L.Bulgaricus and L. acidophilus should not be given to infants, since some strains of these organisms can produce forms of lactic acid which they do not tolerate well. On this basis, many probiotic formulae for children exclude these strains.

I hope this information is of help.

kind Regards,

Alice"

So in short, the amount of casein is unbelievably small and they have not had anyone react to it, and do not expect anyone to react to it, even someone with a complete dairy allergy. I still believe that there are not many companies out there who are as good as solgar, they do fantastic research into all of their products and are always updating old products as new information comes along.

I can give you their UK phone number, they are always willing to talk to customers about any of their products and always give trust-worthy advice.

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am going to try the LUFFA as my son is autistic and won't take any of the 'usual' antihistamines and i cannot disguise them in squash etc....even in great dilution!!!

However another question i have having read through all this....mentioned the autism ....actually Asperger's (High functioning autism) and ADHD.....so wonderd apart from Fish Oils if there are things i could try.....was a chamomilla baby- and main probs now are sleep (takes melatonin) and would love an alternative for the ADHD methylphenidate- as have tried no meds but he does need them- but would prefer a 'natural' to 'ritalin'........in my home there are definitely 2 asperger's (maybe 4!!!!!) and 1 ADHD (maybe 2!!!!) so more interested in a 'general' remedy rather that Homeopathic which i understtand needs to be matched to the person not the sympton as such?

Ta!!xx

mrsF, definatly worth trying fish oil, our local ADHD group are recommending Eskimo oil and some of the kids have even managed to come of ritlin completly!

another fish oil thread

Jan de Vries Child Essence has also had good reports from several parents. also in drops you add to water/juice. also from health shop.

Also Bioforce Avena Sativa, calms child down, works on central nervous system, also in drops.
can also help with teething and colic!

Bioforce Valerian-hops for sleeping...fantastic! ask GP if he can take it while on sleeping tablet.

i switched the adhd/autism stuff to new thread

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