Really random allergies, please help?

[WhiteTrash]

I have a son whos allergic to milk, eggs, goats milk, just found out about green lentils.

This thing is, he had a random hive underneath his sock when I got him changed last night. During the night he clawed at his hand which is now cut and bleeding and the back of his head all night, his skins now a state which it wasnt before. On the hand he clawed, this morning when he woke I saw a few small hives which were gone by the time we got out of bed (about 10 minutes later) then this afternoon he had huge hives all around his wrist, and smaller ones creeping up his other arm.

I. Dont. Get. It.

How is this happening? I dont understand!

My DS2 is anaplylactic to multiple foods. He gets random hives (1 or 2) now ang again. I mostly ignore those, or give it a quick wipe, and they go away themselves. Personally, I don't call that a reaction.

Clearly this is more than that though, if he's clawing at his skin. Does he have eczema as well? Sometimes eczema can present a bit like nettle rash, so a bit like hives, if the person get to warm. Could that be happening?

The huge hives in the afternoon sound to me like they are a separate issue. Could he have been in contact with an allergen later in the day?

Apologies if I've misunderstood.

Hi WT

I am linking here to another thread where I posted a really really long reply about Viral Urticaria, I was going to copy and paste it into this but there are other replies on that thread that might be useful.

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I noticed that you were also on that so apologies if you've already looked at this as a possibility.

You sound so worried and remind me of how I felt when my DD was going through this. The worry is awful but if it is this then a longer lasting non sedating anti histamine is worth it's weight in gold. Also, if you're is very itchy but doesn't have any hives it might be worth giving him a dose of piriton to help him with this especially is he's scratching himself so much in his sleep. My DD has always been a very itchy thing and I have recently had to cream her with her emollient just before bed as well as after her bath as she is very itchy at the moment. I suspect it's something to do with hayfever even though there's been so much rain around lately. I also apply cream if I hear her or see her scartching in her sleep. When she scratches it sounds like someone using sandpaper.

I hope you get to the bottom of whatever is causing the hives soon.

Take care
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Mumat39 oh my I think you may have solved this for me! Since writting this thread Id decided it must be pollen.

But hes just got over a terrible virus, one that got so bad he was hospitalised twice, NG tube, also offered a drip but luckily we got him better without one although in hindsight I really wish Id said yes to it.

This makes so much more sense, Im going to do more reading on it now. THANK YOU.

like I'm so glad your said about a random hive! DS gets this all the time. Just a hive somewhere, usually top of back/neck/face, then feels itchy on legs, then his head itches. It never actually comes to anything and I usually wipe with a lukewarm flannel. I had begun to think I was 'looking' for issues with red marks, but it was the whole itchy feeling with it that may me think hive/ histamine.

WhiteTrash how did you get on with the consultant?

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and you kno about pollen thing from PM which is why I didn't repeat myself!

mumat yes yes yes to feeling itchy all over to pollen. My DS looks like he has some kind of psychological problem most evenings if out the house atm - he genuinely looks like he's swatting imaginary bugs off his skin. I give him his ceterizine before bed but do you think it would help to have it say 4pm after school? Bottle says at night so just done this as a default.

I left a message with his PA, Im hoping he can call me back today fingers crossed!

Just to add to this, re the random single hives, we were lucky enough to see Adam Fox last year. DS was constantly coming up with random single hives, always around the head area, and I was on the ceiling thinking that everything that I was eating was causing him to react when I breastfed him.

Dr Fox advised us that this was a totally separate thing to any food allergies ds might have, and was caused by his immature immune system rather than anything food or environment related. He said that it usually occurs in the elderly who of course are able to articulate the fact that they are not having an allergic reaction, but it always causes major panic in babies because obviously they can't tell you that!

The hives occur far less often now in ds and when they do knowing what they are means I don't have to panic that he is developing a new allergy! Anyway, he's got his first MMR this afternoon, which is giving me something else to worry about instead...!

WhiteTrash, I'm glad that this appears to be viral, and not another allergy. Did you get your appointment through for the new hospital yet? They seem to be keeping you waiting forever...

4 months it took! 5 months by the time I see the
, so next month. I think its viral, we were outside today sunny and windy - pollen weather! But no reactions! So must be viral Im so pleased!

youarekidding, hello.

We were advised by the GP to give DD Neoclarityn (another non sedating antihistamine) daily for the whole of the summer. He explained that it's good to keep DD topped up as it has a cumulative effect. We usually give it to her at night before she goes to bed. He also said that we could give it twice a day if she was particularly bad.

The other thing we were told by our allergy nurse is that sometimes some antihistamines just don't work for some people so if you find it isn't helping then it's worth asking your GP for a different one..

I was thinking that maybe your DS and my DD could become next dance sensation with the all new itchy dance craze. I reckon they'd be in with a shot of winning Britain's Got Talent

Casa, thanks for the info about the single hives. DD is 4.5 and still gets odd ones which I see and go into a mini meltdown about. So, it's good to know that a lone hive is nothing to get too stressed about. the trouble is I see one and then never know if it's going to escalate.

WT, good luck with your appointment. I really hope you get the level if care that your little one needs and deserves. It's a shame it's been a long time coming though, but that's just the way these things go, unfortunately.

About being outside with pollen, it's funny as I've had rotten hayfever all my life and I'm always much much worse inside than out, apart from in certain areas, with certain trees where I'm much worse outside. The advice about keeping windows closed is impossible in the summer sometimes so I'm wondering about getting some pollen mesh to put over the bedroom windows but don't know if it's any good. I might ask about that on the allergy forum in a minute. Also, things like washing hair and having a wash before bed can help.

Take care ALL and hope you all have a great weekend.

Yes, it feels like an age waiting to see someone, but at least there's light at the end of the tunnel now!

Interestingly I was at a baby group this afternoon and one of the little boys there got a hive - just like the ones ds gets - on his cheek. He has no history of allergies etc and his mum said he just gets them randomly from time to time. So maybe it's quite common, it's just that because we're so tuned in to what is happening to our dc's we are more inclined to notice them and worry about it?

I got urticaria all over my bump and arms when I was pregnant with the baby, its called PPP and theres a theory (because no one knows for sure) that its an allergy to the babys DNA.

The itchyness is literally torterous. I feel very, very sorry for anyone who suffers with it.

I always found cool wet muslins were the only thing that soothed it.

Just a little to story to make you all laugh. DS came home from school with nice purple/red edged eyes. Clearly the howling winds and flying blossom were to blame. But oh no, DS starts saying his eyes hurt/itch and rub them. Then he in a very serious voice asks me if I think it's an allergy to the plaster on his knee because he had a rash from a plaster once. Hehe bless him.

I LOVE the idea of an itchy dance - We could call it "Itchly come dancing"

I love it!!! Honestly, my DD has the best hip wiggle I've ever seen and is actually a really good little mover and I'm convinced it's all to do with the constant itching. She certainly doesn't get her groovy moves from me

Your DS sounds so cute! Bless him. I hope his eyes are better soon. Do cold compresses work? I remember my mum used to make me lie down with cold salt water compresses on my eyes to 'take the heat out' and I think it used to help.

WT, I've never heard of PPP. Sounds like it was really uncomfortable esp in pregnancy as there's not much you can take to relieve it. I know what you mean about the itching. I have a couple of small patches of eczema and they itch like mad so I don't know how our kiddies still manage to smile and get on when they're feeling like that all over. Poor things.

Oh never tried the salt water thing. But we are heading off for a walk (well hobble on crutches for me and scooter for him!) along the beach in half hour because the air there does help. I wonder if that's because it's salty?

His eyes are actually really sore today so I'll try the salt cloth later thanks and report back.

No hives today.

It was definitely the virus!