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Meeting our little boy on Wednesday!

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Peona · 28/02/2010 22:39

Hi everyone - just wanted to share the news that DH and I have been approved to adopt a little boy (nearly 2 years old and gorgeous) and are going to meet him on Wednesday! We're so excited - just spent the weekend rearranging rooms to get his ready so consequently both knackered - just had a celebratory glass of wine and a curry. Thanks to all MNers, particularly Kewcumber and Bran for all your advice and support along the way. Now I'm on adoption leave I hope to be better at keeping in touch and replying in a timely fashion to your posts. For now though, off to bed!

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LittlePushka · 05/03/2010 00:47

...yeah, how was it? Hope it went well...

maryz · 06/03/2010 11:09

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bran · 09/03/2010 22:51

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KristinaM · 30/03/2010 17:47

I know that things are difficult for you right now Peona, please come back and update us

jenny60 · 31/03/2010 09:22

Good luck for today. How exciting

Peona · 31/03/2010 09:30

Hi everyone, things have been really difficult since placement about three weeks ago - he is pretty hyper and demanding, shouting, throwing, hitting us and himself, really feeling we wish we could turn the clock back and not do this - he was described as busy but he's manic and has been like this for the year at the foster carers, and the foster mum told the SWs this but we weren't informed until just before intros, similarly the fact that birth mum probably binged drank alcohol and the medical advisor said not to worry! Am worrying! He's sleeping reasonably well but up last night twice, shouting, not crying and then when up from 6-ish he does not stop running around, trying to break things, nothing holds his interest for more than half a minute and it's a constant round of blowing up balloons for him to feel the air on his face as they empty, or putting on Bob the Builder which he watches form 10 seconds, getting out trampoline for 5 bounces, numerous tantrums for unspecified reasons, demanding tomato ketchup over and over for most meals, throwing, hitting us etc etc, I really don't like him and am not enjoying this!!

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winnybella · 31/03/2010 09:46

It must be hard for you, but:

He needs to settle in

His life up til now hasn't been that stable (I'm guessing)

It will take a while for you and dh to develop an attachment and same for him

It will take a while for you to 'leave an imprint' on him re his behaviour, rules etc. Don't give in, don't give him the ketchup with every meal etc.

Could you get him assessed to see whether there are any specific problems?

winnybella · 31/03/2010 09:49

Also he's not even two, right? That's a prime age for tantrums etc- they are hard even for birth parents.
Did you try any strategies dealing with tantrums ie ignoring them, being firm?

Peona · 31/03/2010 12:39

Hi again - I think much of the tantrums and poor concentration is due to being two, and we have some strategies, but given that most are behavioral in slant, that goes against promoting security ie eventually we tell him we won't talk to him for a while if he hits us or himself, and go and look out of the window, or away from him. It's just so wearing that I can't have a sit down and even have a quiet cup of tea without him shouting and then doing stuff to get attention constantly. I feel like my home and my life are under assault. The foster mum told his SW she was exhausted and couldn't work out if it was him or her age, having to run around after him all the time - and dh and I are older that her, in our 40s! When SWs asked us what our activity levels were, we were honest and said one level up from sloths, like reading, watching films etc and avoid exercise - they asked us how we would manage a 'boisterous' boy and we said we didn't know as we have only our nephews to go by who can sit and watch cbeebies happily or do a jigsaw or a game quietly - our personalities have not been taken into account, just the fact that we are a mixed heritage couple it seems - and now we've both lost weight and all our jeans are too big (maybe a plus point!)

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dolphin13 · 31/03/2010 14:08

Hi Peona, I really do feel for you. That is a difficult age anyway and add in all the feelings of uncertainty and insecurity on both sides. You must be feeling very unsure of the future at the moment.
We have fostered many children in that age group and they often behave like that.
Stick to the boundries that work for you but I would say choose your battles (maybe the ketchup isn't such a big deal at the moment, although I agree it's a horrible habit).
He will feel more secure if you put boundries in place although he wont show it.
I have found that omega 3 fish oils really do help to calm a child down (if hes old enough).
Try to spend time outside at the park or somewhere safe to wear him out.
And if you are at the end of your tether theres nothing wrong with putting him in a safe room with a stairgate. Let him know that you are close but explain you need 10 minutes quiet time. He should understand at that age and you and dp need to keep yourselves emotionally happy if you are to deal with this.
Good luck take care of yourselves and let us know how you get on.

happystory · 31/03/2010 14:29

Dear Peona, this WILL get better. We adopted ds at a younger age but I spent a lot of time wondering if his behaviour was due to his background, his foster parents (who, though lovely, did not do things AT ALL as we would have) or our complete naivety and lack pf parenting skills. It took about 4 months before I believed he was ours, when I knew that when he needed anything he would turn to us/me. Was going to suggest what dolphin said, try and go out every day, the fresh air will help you both....

wannaBe · 31/03/2010 14:41

oh

I have no experience of adoption and am sure that there are others with far more knowledge/experience that can give you better advice re who to speak to, what support to seek etc. I will just say this though:

All parents go through a stage when they do not enjoy parenting their children. It's not a fault - it shows that we are all human beings who occasionally wish things were different. The difference though between biological parents and newly adoptive parents is that when you give birth to a child, nurture it and bring it up from a tiny baby, you have good moments to look back on when the bad times get too bad, and they serve as a reminder as to why you keep on doing this. But you've only just started out your parenting journey, and right now all you have to go on is the tiring stage, the constant demands, the not knowing what you're doing wrong or where you go from here. It's IMO not unlike giving birth to a baby which screams and screams and screams for the first several weeks of its life with no let-up, and whose mummy wonders if she's done the right thing and doesn't know how to make it stop. But the difference here is that you've essentially given birth to a two year old who can not only shout and scream but can run as well. Unlike a newborn, you can't put him in his cot and walk away for a break, or give him a dummy.

I agree that children need boundaries, but I would also say try and find something about him, or the things he does that you like. Try and look for one positive thing that has happened in every day, and then build on that. As parents we are often all guilty of looking at the negatives. In fact i remember a friend saying once "x could do ten good things, and then he could do one bad thing, and that's what I'd remember." So ? think about it. What does he do that makes you go ?aaaw.?? What behaviour, what querk, does he have that you find cute, endearing? When he?s enjoying something how does he react?

Could you start with mealtimes? Aside from wanting ketchup, how is his eating? If you just gave him the ketchup would e sit nicely and eat? If so perhaps you could build on that. Ketchup is the least of your worries tbh and I would pick your battles on that score and just let it go if it makes for quieter and more productive mealtimes

It is going to be hard. He doesn?t know you and you don?t know him. He?s been passed around for the past two years, he has no reason to believe that this is where he?s going to be staying for the rest of his life. Tbh any two year old was going to be hard, because any two year old placed for adoption is going to hve underlying emotional difficulties, and on the whole, two year olds are not placid little things that will happily sit and watch cbeebies for hours or do puzzles for hours ? they have little attention span and it is our job as parents to build on that.

Talk to your social worker, that?s what they?re there for, and they don?t want this adoption to break down, and neither do you realistically do you? You haven?t gone through the last several years of home checks and intrusion into your life just to give up on it in a matter of weeks.

Persivere, and in time things will work out. It was never going to be how you?d imagined ? parenting never is, not even when the child is biologically yours.

Good luck and keep us posted x

carrieboo75 · 31/03/2010 14:54

I would deffinately give the fish oils a go they can work wonders. The EyeQ ones are the best, they are more expensive but have a different concentration of the 2 oils than the cheaper ones and they only take a couple of days before you can see a difference. There is EyeQ baby which is liquid.

Rescue remedy can also take the edge off for both him and you!

It is likely his behaviour will improve over time as he grows and gets attached to you. However I would get used to exercise as most boys benefit from constantly being run around to wear them out.

Makes sure you go in to his room at night and sit and watch him sleeping and making all the little snuffley noises they make at this age. It will give you a chance to really look at him and breath him in while he is all quite and cute, it is hard to resist a sleeping baby no matter what they have done during the day.

Take one day at a time and remind yourself that this is normal. It feels very very hard at the moment and I am not taking that away from you. Make time to have a whinge/moan/cry and get it out your system as it helps you carry on the next day.

A big hug and a good luck. x

Peona · 31/03/2010 22:19

Thank you all for your great advice and encouragement - will keep on keeping on and let you know how it goes. We have our first looked after child review tomorrow with all our SWs and the independent chair, so hopefully it will all go well.

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CheerfulYank · 31/03/2010 22:34

Oh wow, honey. I'm really feeling for you here-my (biological) DS is 2 and it is a rough age.

Just be sure you get all the help you need. You will get through this and you will love him.

One thing I've read (DH and I are going to adopt at some point)is that toddlers are at the absolute worst age for adoption. Babies don't care, and older children understand what's going on. Tods just feel like they've been kidnapped, poor little things.

Please let us know how it's going and remember, we are here for you!

happystory · 01/04/2010 09:28

Hope it goes well today peona and you feel supported by the SWs

jenny60 · 01/04/2010 09:35

Peona: sorry to have come in at the wrong time with my congrats

@cheerfulYank: Babies DO care and older children from chaotic backgrounds often DO NOT understand what's going on, or if they do, often don't understand how to deal with their emotions. The age one adopts a child does not guarantee anything in the way of bahaviour.

shockers · 01/04/2010 09:54

Peona. Ask your SW about theraplay and the safe base training. Both of these were very helpful for us.
I had a look on the FAS website that someone linked for you on another thread too. My DD has FAS and there was some stuff on there that I found really interesting... I've copied it for school.

Can I tell you a couple of things that we would do differently with DD given the benefit of hindsight?

We wouldn't have put her in nursery for at least a year. We wouldn't have taken her dummy away and we would have tried to get her into a special school from reception age.
I also would have read the book "Beyond Consequences, Logic and Control" 5 years earlier!

I would have grown a thicker skin, earlier on and told folk who gave me mucho parenting advice that as my eldest son has grown up into a wonderful human being, I was going to trust my instincts and parent DD in a way that I thought necessary. Proactive not reactive.

This is just my hindsight wish list... I expected too much from DD early on .

I'm sending all my best vibes and good wishes.

shockers · 01/04/2010 09:55

Oooh... and the fresh air advice is spot on IMO!!

Kewcumber · 01/04/2010 11:25

Lordy - where to start!

The thing is you are dealing with behaviour that many parents find challenging when really you aren't yet parents.

If you helps you get some insight into how he feels - imagine you go to sleep as normal one day then wake up next to someone who isn;t your DH and in a completely different house and everyone is acting as if nothing has happened and don;t seem to understand that you are scared and want to know where your old lkife has gone. And this has happened to him several times.

Activity levels - well yes the bad news is that if you have an active boy you will need to up your activity levels (in fact to be honest most parens of any toddler need to up their activity levels). Playgrounds are good because you can take it in turn to run around with him and alternately plonk yourself on a bench and read your book.

The unremmitingly relentless of having a child that doesn't yet feel like yours with you was for me the toughest part of all. And so exhausting. And a month in is nothing, really nothing.

Hope the social workers are encouraging and helpful.

Silver1 · 01/04/2010 16:26

We have DS at nearly two who does the self hitting, it was about 8 months before it calmed down, and resurfaces under stress.

DS was also very hyper at FCs-but he quite literally was not sleeping enough (at nearly 14 months he was sleeping 8-9 hours) HV GP all said his brain was hyper and wired up to stay a awake- we have made a lot of progress with this but it took time, and tears! I am not sure whether this is an issue with you though.

As for the screaming- There was a lot of that, but my highlight was the day DH went back to work he screamed non stop for six hours! It was horrible-for me for him for the dog and probably the whole street. We have had other bad days, but that was my taste of life to come and I shall always remember it!
All I can say is go out-to the park for a walk to the supermarket, just get out and about. It seems quite daunting at first but when it all gets too much inside the house, strap him into a pushchair or sling grab your wallet and keys and walk!

There is a very fine balance to be made between waiting until he settles down, and seeing if there is an improvement-and just realising that it wont get better unless you bang bang on lots of doors for intensive input.

As for parenting advice- the best I received was from another adopter it went like this
"Ignore birth parents- your child's issues are different from theirs, your child's development has been different to theirs, and so their experience wont help"

Keep thinking of him as a baby and not a toddler. Lots of cuddles and reassurance (from a distance if he wont let you hold him yet)

Music on in the background-stuff that will cheer you up.

Don't feel bad if the happy clappy feelings aren't there. It is exciting to meet your child-and they may look lovely, but that doesn't mean that adopters (or even birth parents) always fall in love with their child straight away-so if you need to then fake it till you make it!

Have you spoken to GP and health visitor? They may be able to help you access support for you and LO, and the looked after children's nurse for your area may have some guidance.

A lot of it will improve as your child comes to trust you, so be patient and kind to yourself and with your child.
I don't know if you are a member of the Adoption UK board, but there is a lot of help and advice on there from members.

CheerfulYank · 01/04/2010 17:23

Oh no Jenny, I'm sorry, I didn't mean that at all. Obviously one's age doesn't guarantee behavior of any kind. I just meant that we've read/heard from SWs that older children have a better grasp of what adoption is, but of course that doesn't mean that they'll process things any better or behave any better given the chaotic nature of their pasts. And I realize babies care, that wasn't the wording I meant! I just meant that they have had less time to attach to a particular caregiver, whereas a toddler has perhaps been in the same place for a few years and would have had a rougher time. I didn't mean to sound...well, however I sounded!

Peona, hope things are going well and you're getting lots of support. We're here for you!

Loopallu · 01/04/2010 21:23

Hi Peona,
CONGRATULATIONS! What an exciting time! We met our little girl shortly before her second birthday and had a wonderful fortnight getting to know her. She's now been with us 1 and a half years and we forget she hasn't always been with us.
You must be on a real high!
Best wishes

RTKangaMummy · 01/04/2010 22:21

DEFFO BRILL NEWS on the placement

I agree that fresh air will help you both ~ do you have any fields that are safe and enclosed so that he can run and run as fast as he likes maybe with a ball

That will tire him out while also keeping him safe.

Hope it improves soon

+++++++ vibes

I was adopted as a baby and although I have met both my birth parents I love my adopted parents soooooooooo much more

Peona · 02/04/2010 21:17

Hi everyone, thanks so much for your suggestions and support. The first review went well (apart from me being tearful throughout) and the SWs want to have a play therapist input every week or so, as ds doesn't seem to be able to play other than throwing or kicking things, also they agreed to my step mum coming to stay for a few days to give me some breaks. My brother and SIL came today and were really helpful and supportive, and ds wasn't perfect, they saw him slapping me several times so they realise it's not just us adjusting to a toddler (although I know many toddlers do hit). Realise also that many birth parents don't have feelings for their kids for a while, and most adoptive parent don't love them for a few months. Will let you know how things go next week.

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