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CRB checks for the wider family - what are the rules?

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perspectivemummybear · 22/01/2010 17:38

I was wondering if anyone knows what the guidance is for runing CRB checks on the adopters' wider family?

We were asked who from our wider family will spend most time with our children (we're not yet at panel). My partners parents live fairly close, so they will spend time with them regulalry, although we are not relying on them for regular childcare. That said i'm very close to my family and we shall visit them and they will come stay with us.

Our social worker has asked to run CRB checks on my partners parents. I don't understand why my partners parents need checking but our siblings and my parents don't.

I don't mind what the rules are and all parties are very happy to comply, but seems like a random decision. I can't find any written guidance, not even on the home office CRB webpage. Anyone got a helpful link??

many thanks for your help.

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DevonParent · 23/01/2010 16:12

To me this sounds like the whole nonsense surrounding child protection/CRB checks and how routinely, males (whether they be your partner, or your partners parents, where they are most probably only really interested in your partners father, although social workers would not dare openly proclaim that stance) are automatically by social workers presumed to be guilty/present-a-potential-danger to ALL children. It is only when CRB checks say they are not, that social workers will finally (and reluctantly in a lot of instances) and begrudgingly curtail their behind closed-door fingerpointing/gossiping.

Your other potential problem could be CRB itself. As first conceived and instigated it was clear and unambiguous. It simply reported 'criminal' records. You mentioned CRB, although I suspect it is 'enhanced CRB' checks they are referring to. What social services should be checking for is: (a) criminal record per se (although why many possible criminal records have the slightest bearing on parenting etc is beyond me and most other people!) and (b) checks of sex-offenders registers etc (now all at the ISA). OK, there is nothing irrational about having these checks performed.

What can throw 'spanners' into the works are the 'enhanced' revelations in an 'enhanced CRB check'. These are purely at the whim of the chief constable of the local force and in effect allow the police simply to regurgitate anything they have recorded in local police files. You can be of the view that Police are very sensible and record in their files sensible statements, but my own experience and knowledge of what has happened to many other parents, is that is not the case. Anyone, anyone at all can, anyone that has a grudge against you, or any other person, can call the police and make any number of allegations/statements about any person they like. These, without any proof, and equally without any serious and proper investigation, will undoubtedly turn up in an 'enhanced CRB' disclosure. Such disclosures are so open to abuse and to being easily manipulated, that to any sensible person they have no credibility, yet social services (and many other 'quango' bodies) believe every word of them.

So, those are some the dangers you may face in your move to adopt. In terms of what the guidance is for running CBR checks, I do not believe there is any what so ever. How you understand where social services is going/what their intentions are is often very difficult to establish...in large part they often appear to be 'making it up' as they go along. I would suggest you read and re-read everything you can find online about them and their procedures (this will most probably be somewhere within the councils web site, that the social services/CYPS are part of). If you cannot find precise statements (..and I doubt whether you will, their words are often a mixture of politically correct statements/supposed intentions), then I would formally write to them and asked specifically for a copy of their Policies and the Procedures, inclusive of the Operating ones (i.e. not simply the good words at to what they ought to be doing, but how it is being done, e.g. social worker A, reports to B, C oversees, D makes the final decision(s) etc etc) themselves that relate to Adoption. State also, how you have not so far managed to locate any Procedure(s) that relate to CRB checks and make sure you also them to include their method of working in this respect where it is not covered in any of the other Procedures. This is to stop them simply giving you a lot of Procedures, which have no, or little mention of CRB.

Equally, you may find their Procedures or statements of what they are supposed to be doing, in effect 'fob' you off, via wholesale reference to things like the 'Every Child Matters' framework. If they do, keep pushing, by asking them for precise details as to how they implement (..on a day to day basis) those parts that are relevant to Adoption. For example, whatever social workers are doing, they are most certainly filling in computer based forms, with check boxes and they like, they are working through. Indeed ask them for a copy of those screens/forms (don't have to contain any sensitive info, just copies of the blank screen) as that advise you of what is driving their actions.

Hope this helps, sorry if it is not too encouraging, but my own experience with social workers (albeit not related to Adoption) is that you have to keep pursuing them from all corners to get the information you are after.

shivster1980 · 23/01/2010 19:13

I am confused about this as we did our home study in 2006 and we didn't have CRB checks for anyone other than ourselves.

If your prospective child is going to be looked after or babysat by anyone other than yourselves between placement and the adoption order then social services will need to give permission - and I would assume be interested in CRBs in this situation.

Not sure otherwise though.

TheWorldFamousKewcumber · 23/01/2010 21:14

ah well you see I have a different attitude.

Who cares? SHrugging and getting on with things becomes an important coping strategy in my experience

Just get the CRB checks they want done. If you question every decision SS make, you will go mad. Keep your powder dry for the important decisions you might need to challenge.

shivster1980 · 24/01/2010 13:55

Couldn't agree more Kewcumber!

I should have said that we 'smiled and nodded' our way through the process really, whilst privately wondering what planet these people had come from .

TheWorldFamousKewcumber · 24/01/2010 19:12

Shivster - don't suppose you were on MN when I had my "don't get pregnant" talk from sw - I must try and find it...

TheWorldFamousKewcumber · 24/01/2010 19:25

SW (who I'd never met before) sent to do home study update (have to have one annually if you are not matched)
Tells me I have to be careful not to get pregnant whilst waiting for a match
KewC tries in any number of ways to explain that she is not in a "relationship" and therefore not likely to get pregnant.

SW persists and gives birds and bees lecture about not needing to be in a relationship to get pregnant.
KC gives up euphemisms and being polite " yes but you do have to be having sex and I'm not".

SW happy, KC wondering at what point her life dissolved into being lectured about safe sex by a complete stranger "

NanaNina · 25/01/2010 22:45

CRB checks are usually requested from people who will have contact with the children on a regular and frequent basis, hence the request from the set of grandparents who live near you. I agree that there isn't a great deal of logic in this because the children will be having contact presumably with all the extended family. there aren't any particular rules about CRB checks as far as I know, but it is best to get them done when requested otherwise it looks like there is something to hide. It is after allin the interests of child protection.

Really don't understand DevonParent's post but she clearly has had bad experiences with social workers.

Hope all goes wellfor you and the children.

TheWorldFamousKewcumber · 26/01/2010 09:42

Must agree I too am a bit baffled by DevonParents post and how it is relevant here. CRB checks are essential in adoption - even those it only checks if you already have a criminal record, sw's would look pretty foolish if they placed a child with someone who had a record for child abuse of some sort or a violent crime.

carrieboo75 · 26/01/2010 10:14

I don't think there are set rules. We went to panel in August for fostering. Only us two had crb's done. However we have discussed having my parents and sister done as they baby sit for us, where as dh's parents are futher away and it is unlikely that they would be left alone with the children (we don't need to at the moment as have a YP not a child). It pretty much falls down to common sense, if an adult will regularly be left alone with the child then they need to have crb. They don't just do everyone as it would take too much time and money. My guess is that your dh's parents have been done as being closer it is more likely that they will have regular unsuperivised access to the adopted child. As has been said already best not to worry about it, the process is something you just have to go through yet don't have any much influence over. Smile and nod, smile and nod . Good luck with it all, very exciting (we would like to adopt one day).

shivster1980 · 26/01/2010 18:45

I have only been on Mumsnet for a couple of years Kewcumber I had definately missed that one...poor you, how ridiculous!

We have many not so great moments over the homestudy period, including one visit from a SW we had never met in our lives who after this visit wrote a report sent to our matching panel that she doubted my DH's commitment to adoption based on his work history.
DH has been consistantly in work since leaving university but had then recently taken a lesser role in work so that he could devote more time to church - he was due to go to theological college to train to become a CofE clergy person within a month of the meeting.
As you can imagine we wrote a very carefully worded response to this report which our (very sensible, patient, thorough) SW took to panel.

The rest as they say is history. DH is now a curate in his first parish and DS has been legally adopted for 18 months now.

Very tedious at the time though!! Adopters need to be extremely patient, have a sense of humour and a very thick skin - all useful for parenting too (some would say more so for parenting adopted kids).

chegirlsgotheartburn · 26/01/2010 19:52

It was a while ago but it was only me and OH who had CRBs. DS was placed as an emergency so they used our exsiting ones (which luckily were brand new) and they got their ones done later on.

I dont remember anyone else being mentioned.

CRBs are not foolproof but if they are essential anywhere surely its when placing a vunerable child with a new family?

We had the same assesment as non family adopters. I did not object to the thouroughness of it - I dont think we should have been treated less carefully than anyone else.

It was a bit odd being asked exactly the same sort of questions as people entering adoption in the more usual way though.

We had to go to a matching panel (DS had been with us about 18 mths at that point). We had to fill out pages on the sort of child we would be prepared to adopt (um the one who has been living with us for nearly two years and who you asked us to adopt in the first place!).

It was a bit weird answering 'would you be prepared to adopt a child with a visual impairment?' Of course but DS hasnt got one!

I suppose they didnt tell us not to have sex though Kew

TheWorldFamousKewcumber · 26/01/2010 23:18

I swear I was the only adopter in the UK NOT having sex at the time (or at least it felt like that!) - was I the only one who got sex/pregnancy talk?!

Mind you I got my own back because I was told it was then standard practice to contact previous partners of any standing so cue discussion about most recent long term ex.... many questions asked about our relationship then " would you be OK if we interviewed him", oh yes no problem we managed an amicable break up and stay in touch "Excellent where does he live?" Tashkent "Pardon?" Tashkent, its in Uzbekistan.

They never did interview him and he was never mentioned again!

Mind you it was just a weird me filling in the matching form Che, knowing that I wasn't being matched in the UK and it was completely irrelevant.

NeverendingStoryteller · 21/04/2010 13:29

I got the sex/pregnancy talk - I was reminded that, despite 10 years of unprotected sexual activity with current partner that did not result in pregnancy, I might be asked by complete strangers (ie the approval and matching panels) what kind of contraception I used to ensure I didn't have an 'accident'. I was told that they needed to be satisfied that I could give adopted children my full attention. I can see where they are coming from, and my SW was very, very nice about it, but I really, really think that this discussion falls into the "clearly none of anyone else's business" category.

NeverendingStoryteller · 21/04/2010 13:39

Oh, also meant to say, we were also successful in fending off all attempts for SWs to contact my ex-husband (no children from ex-relationship). I refused to give permission or provide any details apart from those that were available on public documents (such as our marriage and divorce certificates). I had to hold firm on this - they asked over and over again, sometimes with veiled threats. I called their bluff and told them that we would walk away if they invaded my privacy in this way. I agreed that I would provide reasons for my decision and referees who knew me during the time of my marriage who could comment on my consistency of character. I refused to be walked over on this matter, and took a stand. Risky, but very pleased that ex doesn't know anything about my current life

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