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Struggling with adopted child

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JLO1911 · 19/08/2025 19:48

Just after some advice please -

Myself and my husband had a boy 7 years ago and initially husband wanted another child quite shortly after so the age gap was small. We tried and failed to conceive for nearly 2 years after son was born and both agreed to go down the adoption route. To cut a long story short, we ended up adopting a gorgeous little girl who was 2 at the time and our son was 4.

Everything was amazing during the introductions and even more so when she moved in with us. She has been with us for nearly 3 years now and we are slowly noticing her behaviour changing. I do not believe it is ‘terrible threes’ or ‘terrible fours’ as some family members and friends have suggested - I truly believe she has undiagnosed ADHD as birth mother and father both have been diagnosed as well as autism in the family, she was born at a very low birth weight due to substance misuse throughout the pregnancy.

We are really struggling now as she tends to target our son, who is the total opposite and to be quite honest, I am starting to feel sorry for him. He cannot sit down without her jumping on him, spitting on him, nipping, biting etc. She also destroys his toys and special things such as Lego builds and special gemstones and coins. She breaks his toys and throws his stuff in the bin and just tonight she has taken his glass of lemonade from him and spat in it and found it hilarious. She loses her temper fairly easy and tends to squeeze people or things, including our dogs. She grabs our dogs’ fur and pulls their tails despite being told 100 times a day that’s unacceptable. We teach her right from wrong and she does understand what she’s doing is wrong however when being told off just smirks and laughs at us. We have tried taking toys away, she just goes and takes her brothers stuff. We have tried the naughty chair, she starts climbing all over it and singing and making noises. She cannot focus on anything or follow simple instructions and often forgets what she’s been asked to do within seconds. For example if she has her shoes on the wrong feet, we say ‘oh, swap them over’ she will take them off then put them on the same feet again, or if being asked to go get her shoes on she will leave the room and come back with a toy instead, forgetting about being asked to put her shoes on. She tends to latch onto people as well, no concept of personal space and constantly interrupts people when they’re having a conversation. She will climb all over people despite being asked not to and often goes through people’s belongings despite being told no.

Anyway, I do plan on having her assessed for ADHD but my main reason for the post was just some advice on how to deal with this behaviour in the meantime as nothing we are doing currently is working. It has gotten to the point where family members aren’t willing to support with childminding due to a few incidents of her hurting their dogs and telling quite significant lies about things (for example at my parents house she shouted ‘stop making me kick the dogs!’ When there were no dogs in the room with her. Also she was told NOT to pick a small dog up because he is quite old and within minutes she had picked him up and thrown him on top of a cage and his legs got stuck in the gaps, which again she found hilarious).
Please, no judgement just advice!

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NotMeNoNo · 19/08/2025 20:56

I would ask for this to be moved to the Adoption board which doesn't show up on active threads.

There is a lot to unpack, but you will know from your training about attachment issues and the ongoing effects of your DD's difficult start in life. When you say you tried therapeutic parenting, what made you give up? It's an ongoing journey and we tend to find as children grow up and move into new development stages, the challenges cause more issues to bubble up to the surface so you have to keep re inventing it. The root of it is her insecure attachment as shown by her being better when not "competing" with her brother. Most "bad behaviour" stems from anxiety, overwhelm and fear, and survival instinct, not deliberate manipulation.

(If in UK) You should reach out to your post adoption team, request an assessment under the Adoption Support fund, and that should eventually get you some professional help. I would hold out for 1-1 sessions with a clinical psychologist/therapist, don't be fobbed off by a 2 day course, or a social worker who's been on a 2 day course.

The squeezing and being rough is probably sensory seeking, you might find you can get a sensory assessment through GP or post adoption. If school can mobilise an education psychologist they can also have good insights. I sent all the professionals each others reports so we built up a joined up picture of our DS needs.

Also it's helpful to have some peer support, there are some UK adopters FB groups that we found very supportive. Definitely find that safe space to vent!

I feel for you , it's exhausting and you feel so out of step with other families. My DC are now young adults but that sibling rivalry is still there!

Seahorsesplendour · 19/08/2025 20:57

@JLO1911 I’ve asked for it to be moved for you. Ignore the inappropriate replies.

have just seen your update about therapeutic parenting courses etc and just wanted to share that sadly there is no quick fix for our children.

They are deeply affected by their early experiences but using these approaches consistently and ensuring they get the right support over years is what’s important

whilst writing that it’s moved to the adoption thread which I’m grateful for and know that people will be along with supportive advice !

JLO1911 · 19/08/2025 20:59

Seahorsesplendour · 19/08/2025 20:57

@JLO1911 I’ve asked for it to be moved for you. Ignore the inappropriate replies.

have just seen your update about therapeutic parenting courses etc and just wanted to share that sadly there is no quick fix for our children.

They are deeply affected by their early experiences but using these approaches consistently and ensuring they get the right support over years is what’s important

whilst writing that it’s moved to the adoption thread which I’m grateful for and know that people will be along with supportive advice !

Thank you for that as I wouldn’t have a clue on how to do so haha.

Thank you for reading, listening and helpful advice, much appreciated!

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NotMeNoNo · 19/08/2025 21:01

Also there is a lot of overlap between ASD, ADHD and trauma, one of mine had an ASD diagnosis but I suspect 50% of his difficulties are attachment. However similar strategies often work well so you can pick up a lot of tips in ASD or ADHD forums.

Pollylong · 19/08/2025 21:09

Another vote here for accessing post adoption support, and therapeutic parenting. Even without the addition of nd’s our children need a different way of parenting. Reward charts and traditional authoritarian punishments usually do more harm than good.

and head over to the adoption board, there’s plenty of us there in the trenches with u

Pollylong · 19/08/2025 21:09

Another vote here for accessing post adoption support, and therapeutic parenting. Even without the addition of nd’s our children need a different way of parenting. Reward charts and traditional authoritarian punishments usually do more harm than good.

and head over to the adoption board, there’s plenty of us there in the trenches with u

Lougle · 19/08/2025 21:10

@JLO1911 you could ask the nursery to apply to your LA's Early Inclusion Coordinator (or the equivalent - names can vary slightly). DD1 was absolutely chaotic at preschool and her attention span was about 30 seconds. She was observed by the Area lNCO and they immediately authorised 1:1 support.

The other thing you could do is apply to your LA for an Education Health and Care Needs Assessment to get her an EHCP.

It's not really on for you to be called in because your DD spread soap on someone's hair - she should have been supervised, and if they don't have staffing for that, they need to get enough funding so that they do.

GratitudeGoddess · 19/08/2025 21:12

I totally agree with other posters to contact the post adoption team. I'm not sure where you live in the UK but if you are able to get an allocated SW that would be really helpful.

At the beginning of term set up a meeting with the SENDCO and do ask for a SW to attend who can support you at the meeting.

I would suggest you ask the post adoption team for a Therapeutic Needs Assessment (TNA).If you are able to get the ball rolling soon do.

Do make sure that this includes a joint TNA with a psychologist/psychotherapist and an Occupational Therapist who specialises in sensory attachment intervention. In the application for the TNA do highlight that you would like to explore FASD and sensory difficulties.

I see you have already asked to move to the adoption forum which is ace as there are some highly experienced parents on the board.

And lastly you sound like an amazing parent/s. Please make sure that you are also able to access support.

Secretsquirels · 19/08/2025 21:14

I’m not an adopter but my son has ADHD, and we’re a few years on in this journey, so I thought it might be helpful if I shared some of our experience.

ADHD has a very high genetic component so if one or both of her bio parents had adhd, then the likelihood is that that is what you’re seeing, possibly alongside some trauma.

Kids with adhd are typically around 3 years delayed with social development, and this would explain the difficulties around interacting appropriately with other children. It helps a lot to parent them as though they are 3 years younger (so for a 5-year-old don’t leave her alone, hands on intervention to stop poor behaviour, no naughty step, lots of praise, lower expectations etc).

Having adhd changes how your body uses minerals and a lot of kids with adhd have deficiencies which in turn exasperate the behaviour issues. Try a good multivitamin plus extra supplements of magnesium and zinc and see if that helps. There is an excellent book called Finally Focused by Greenblat which looks into this in more detail.

Kids with adhd typically have poorer spacial coordination and often have retained primative reflexes if they’re tested at 7/8 (shes too young for testing yet). Work on hand eye coordination, balance, moving slowly and time being physical will help with this.

Kids with adhd typically struggle with focus (like in your shoe example) and often need things scaffolded more than other kids. As an experiment instead of saying “can you switch your shoes” try saying “can you take off your shoes” then once that’s done ask “can you switch your shoes” and then “can you put your shoes back on” to see if that is more successful.

Also, a final tip, is that schools don’t raise potential SEN issues with parents (because they can’t diagnose) so you need to specifically say to the senco “we’re considering adhd. Have you seen anything which corroborates that?”

And a final, final tip the clubs which work best for us are the ones which are different each week - have a look at beavers or rainbows (probably beavers if she’s quite boisterous) - that might work better.

stichguru · 19/08/2025 21:17

" She cannot focus on anything or follow simple instructions and often forgets what she’s been asked to do within seconds. For example if she has her shoes on the wrong feet, we say ‘oh, swap them over’ she will take them off then put them on the same feet again, or if being asked to go get her shoes on she will leave the room and come back with a toy instead, forgetting about being asked to put her shoes"

I have memory issues due to brain damage and this resonated with me. If she can't focus for more than a few seconds and she can't remember a simple, 3 step task

  • take your shoes off
  • swap your shoes over
  • put your shoes back on
how much is she really retaining of how to interact with the dog? Or her brother? Or not destroying toys? If she actually can't focus on little step by step rules to follow right now, it's quite possible she can't really retain bigger, general rules like "don't hit your brother" or "don't squeeze the dogs". Have you tried any methods associated with impaired executive function such as picture charts and breaking down tasks?
Whyjustwhy83 · 19/08/2025 21:21

This may have been said already my tip is don't use negatives all time, instead of using don't and no. Try saying what you are expecting of her(she's about to throw something say could you please put item xyn the kitchen, table ect) my son has ADHD and autism+learning disability and is very similar. You may already do this but when she's having a meltdown I've found if they're braking thing's don't tell them not to I found it pointless. I'd say things like that it would be sad if the toy broken mam can't buy another or why we doing this,. I never expect an answer but talking calmly and not giving the reaction they're expecting seems to work. Does her nursery see these behaviours? Have portage been mentioned?

Lougle · 19/08/2025 21:24

When DD1 was this age, we had to simplify language even more. So "shoes on", for example.

You could try some sensory activities where she squeezes things, and something like gloop (cornflour and water) so she doesn't have to play with the soap on someone's hair!

JLou08 · 19/08/2025 21:34

The naughty step isn't going to work. Did the adoption team speak to you about therapeutic parenting? It's part of the preparation training in the LA I'm in, I'm assuming you are in England here? Look into therapeutic parenting, adopted children require a different approach due to the attachment difficulties.
Contact the post adoption team ASAP for support, the quicker that's in place the easier it will be to get things sorted. If in the UK it's unlikely ADHD would be assessed at this age but she can still be assessed for other things, including Autism. Contact the Health visitor as well as post adoption to try and get a referral to the child development centre for assessment. Waiting lists tend to be very long! The post adoption team may be able to refer you to a private provider though, there is usually a post adoption fund for private therapy as well as an in house therapeutic team.
Try and get in some 1 on 1 time with each child. You and DH may have to split yours leave lot to manage this. Make it an equal amount of each parent with each child rather than it seeming like its one parent favouring one and one the other. Still have time together as a family too.
DD may have unmet sensory needs, look into this, meeting sensory needs can have a huge impact on behaviour. You can get private sensory integration assessments from a paediatric OT, Google should help you find one in your area.

Arran2024 · 19/08/2025 22:07

Hi. Long term adopter here. Your daughter sounds very much like my girls when they were younger. We survived! But it was often challenging.

I wouldn't fixate on adhd per se. Adopted children can tick every box for every condition going - you need to find professionals who understand and can make a difference.

That might be via the adhd route. But in the meantime you can do a lot to help her to start calming down via sensory integration therapy. School could possibly refer you.

Ask your GP for referrals to CAMHS or paediatrics for assessments for adhd, autism.

Try for a referral to genetics.

Are you in England? If so, you may need to apply soonish for an ehc plan. Also contact post adoption support for access to therapeutic support.

You might be able to apply for DLA. This would give you funding to pay for things like sensory therapy, therapeutic horse riding.

She isn't going to respond to the techniques that worked with your son and tbh it is unfair for services just to leave you to work this out.

Do you know other local adopters? Consider joining Adoption UK - they run lots of online support.

Hope this helps.

Torvy · 19/08/2025 23:00

@JLO1911 this sounds very difficult.

I would agree of all of the above (apart from the one about medication and foster care, @Muffinmam wtaf lol)

It does sound like her brother causes her to be in a bit of fight or flight. Have you tried the name it to tame it? It might help her to work out what she is feeling. You could wonder a bit about the difference in how she feels when she is there or her brother is. She might be jealous, but she might also be a bit scared you will prefer him over her and be acting out to get attention.

I wonder if she is scared of the animals.my youngest is still a bit scared of our cat, and when he is riled up goes after her because he knows if will get a instant reaction. He loves her, but he can't read her body language (same for humans lol) and so her behaviour confuses him. She also moves quickly and startles him, and he doesn't like her in his bedroom at night.

She sounds very sensory seeking.and impulsive. Have you tried chewellery, sensory swings, weighted blankets etc? Mine are currently obsessed with a vibrating guineapig and it's worked wonders to in help them regulate and sit still.

I wouldn't worry too much about the lying. It's very typical, yes for their age, but especially for adopted kids who have been through trauma and might have delayed understanding of their impact on the world. It's shocking for lots of people but she is testing whether you do know the truth, what will happen when you find out the truth, how shockable you are etc. we just say "oops, I shouldn't have asked you that as a question. Mama knows you did xyz, how do you want to fix it? A cloth or a sponge?" Same for the throwing and hitting- it's probably not normal for most kids at that level, but it isn't unusual for kids with early trauma. My little one (same age as yours) does exactly the same. We just removed the toys that caused chaos if they were thrown and keep the precious ones out of reach. If your son wants to do Lego, can he do it in his bedroom and put it up high or after she does to bed? Our youngest loves stuff that is dramatic to throw when he is cross, so we redirect to what he can throw or do to get the feelings out. So we say he should shout or stamp his feet or something physical, rather than throwing or hitting.

Unfortunately yeah, childcare options for us become limited because their behaviour can be extreme or shocking to people who don't know their history. It isn't shocking to most adopters, so I'm glad you found this board!

It sounds a bit like you have quite a mixture of strategies though, and you might benefit from going back to basics and working on the one or two most impactful behaviours and ignoring the rest. For example, we dropped all demands about being grumpy, eating everything on their plate, shouting, swearing, being generally away, but we drew a very hard and fast rule around hitting/hurting and hygiene-they have to have a bath every day. Apart from that, we have structure and routine, but reduce demand wherever possible. It worked, and we went from physical fights every day between the two of them to the odd normal level sibling spat.

In terms of getting help, the hurting animals thing is usually shocking enough to get non trauma specialist professionals to sit up and take notice, so in that way you'll get faster referrals because everyone will think that you have a mini serial killer on your hands because of the TV shows, but every single trauma informed adoption experienced therapist I've worked worked with for for kids has emphasised that for kids that young, it's not the most terrible thing in the world- probably a combination of impulsivity, a lack of development in understanding how or what other creatures feel and the dopamine rush of getting everyone to run around and get upset.

Definitely get reception on it though, there is a separate pot of money for kids under 5 to get assessed for an ehcp, so they might be able to get her assessed. FASD could be a very real possibility here, don't let them ignore that as it can impact on how various behaviours can be supported. I would suggest asking your gp to refer you on for that, going prepared with any documents etc.

If you want actual strategies for getting her to stop going for the animals, you could look at a few things. We had to do loads with our two. Role play with teddies how to care for the dog, and how they might feel. Get her to teach a baby doll about how to stroke the doggy kindly. Give her a specific job about caring for it and paradise her. Have her practice stroking kindly on something and praise her amen she does it right. Include the animal in drawings, conversations, prayers, and point out desirable features of it- what a lovely fluffy tail your drew! How would it feel? You could point out dogs on TV as well, bring them into the conversation. We also have a rule that if the cat goes into our bedroom, they can't follow her. then we obviously minimise contact between them. If your kid is dysregulated frequently, to be honest it increases the chance that there will be a incident, and it seems unkind to all parties to keep putting them in proximity where they might get hurt. Keep the dog in a separate room if at all possible, absence makes the heart grow fonder etc.

Have you considered reaching out to local adopters groups for support?

Finally, a reminder for self care. It's a tough gig, is parenting, particularly when adoption is involved, and I bet it's exhausting adjudicating between the pair of them. Make sure you have enought time for a cup of tea and a sit down at least once every couple of days!

Jellycatspyjamas · 20/08/2025 15:49

Lots of good advice already, I’d urge you to think younger than her chronological age - don’t expect her to have the same capacity as your older child when he was her age.

I’d also have her hearing checked (my DD was actually deaf in one ear and nobody noticed - put her lack of everything down to global developmental delay). I’d also check for language processing difficulties. Our SALT assessed that my daughter could only understand very short sentences, like 3/4 words, after that the whole conversation seemed to fracture so she could follow “shoes on” but “shoes and socks on” was too much and she just didn’t know what she was being asked to do.

I’d agree with not getting too caught up in diagnosis, you’ll be passed through developmental trauma, ASD, ADHD, FASD because they all overlap, the important thing at this stage is getting the right strategies and supports in place and that’s going to be trial and error. Don’t make the mistake of thinking therapeutic parenting is all gentle with no boundaries. My DD needed to know there were some hard no’s - eg harming animals.

Handrearedmagpie · 22/08/2025 19:55

I obviously can't tell if it's trauma or ADHD but one thing that did help for a lot of my sons similar behaviours was sensory integration therapy - it can calm the 'fight or flight' response and helps to meet his sensory need for pressure (he was a big squeezer/nipper/hitter).
Good luck, it sounds like this little girl is lucky to have you as her mum.

PicaK · 26/08/2025 18:15

She sounds exactly like my DD and she has fasd.
Get her reassessed by post adoption support.
It's not your parenting.
People will stop wanting to be around her - but you can pay people to babysit. Don't lose your couple time.
Protect your son. He may need a lock on his door etc.

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