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Reception class and ALNCo involvement

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Nel81 · 01/02/2024 20:47

Hi, just after some opinions or suggestions for school. My son is 5, in reception class, and has been home for 18months. We have our ups and downs but his dysregulation at school has been happening more and more often recently. He goes to breakfast club as the stress levels in the house before school was getting too much. We've got in to a lovely routine now where it's pretty much up, cleaned, dressed and leave. It works for us. The only problem is breakfast club is "too long" for him and once he's finished his food he gets bored and he and the other reception children wind each other up. There are no activities for them there, it's literally breakfast and wait for school to start. The ALNCo said today that they're going to try making him wait for his food and give it to him last. I don't think this is going to work, food is a massive deal for him, and could very well result in the behaviours they are trying to avoid.

Also, he is finding the dinner hall difficult and today he bit a child. He usually gets his food last of the reception children and sits in the same seat every day but the staff are finding him too much to deal with. There are about 350 kids in the hall at the same time (rec to yr 2), which I agree is probably overwhelming for him. The ALNCo now want him to eat in a separate room with either him or another senior staff member.

I'm torn on this because if it keeps him and others safe (he's had injuries from other children and is currently sporting a vivid red scratch on his face from one) then great, but I also feel bad that he's going to be isolated from his friends. How will it make him feel?

Thanks if you've read this far. Has anyone else been in this situation?

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Torvy · 01/02/2024 22:19

Breakfast club has no other set activities?! Not even a few balls or colouring things? That seems a bit odd.... a recipe for disaster if I'm honest, who would want to be in a room with several bored 5 year olds?! I wonder whether you could maybe send him in with something to play with? Maybe a fidget toy or a ball or game or something like a colouring book to occupy him. If not, could they give him specific jobs to "help" get the other children their breakfast so it isn't so much like a punishment?

For lunch, would he be allowed to take a friend with him? Is he getting the injuries in the dining hall or in the playground, because if it is in the playground that won't help. Does he like being in the dining hall? If so, have they explored ways to reduce the sensory overload in the dining hall, so trialling ear defenders, specialised dietsry requirements (some kids onlybever have baked potatoes or the same thing every day, some kids have school lunch but supplement it with safe food crunchy snacks from home, for example), sitting on a table with fewer children, set place every time, close proximity to a dinner lady/member of staff, Wobble cushion if he struggles to stay still, visual now and next cards, using chewellery, laminated symbols woth the rules on the table in front of him - 3 golden rules of kind hands, walking feet, food in mouth or something like that etc. If he likes being with his friends at lunch (mine would be devastated to be left out) then it seems like there could be some intermediary steps, then a review period, then something else before it is removed entirely (unless they have already done this). If he hates the dinner hall, then all power to a seperate eating situation, but I would still be asking them to specify how they intend for his social needs to be met. Social thinning for adopted kids is real, and it's important for schools to take preventative measures where possible to prevent this. I would be asking whether this was what the plan would be long term and whether they think this is sustainable practice all the way through until the older years, and if not how are they planning to transition back into regular lunch times.

If staff are finding him too much to deal with, I assume they have allocated time and funding to support him for his AEN and are looking for further official support through an ehcp etc?

Obviously you don't want L.O to hurt anyone or be hurt, but they are only 5. He needs support to reconnect, social support and supervision. I would be asking lots of decisions before agreeing to what is essentially a type of exclusion. Have they got to the bottom of why he was fighting? Is it a misunderstanding, is it an outburst, what steps do staff take afterwards? How often is it happening? Once a week? Every day? With the same kids? At the same time and in the same place? Is he bigger than the other kids or are the interactions balanced (i.e are they just a phsyical bunch or is he always the one hurting others first?) What has worked in the past and why isn't it working now? What triggers have the school noticed? Who are his friends? Are they "appropriate" i.e evenly academically/energetically/socially matched? If not, what strategies do the school have to direct him towards children who are more evenly matched?

If you have doubts about removing him from lunch, then listen to your gut. I'm always dubious about these things because they re rarely sustainable in the long run, if the member of staff leaves or is absent what provision will be made? I would also be asking loads more questions - will he be sanctioned if he refuses to go in the same way he would be a lesson? What activities will he be doing there? Will he have the opportunity to go to the playground afterwards? Will he be collected from class to avoid any chance of him sneaking off (or will that be too shaming/a point of pride for him to show off that he gets a "special" lunch?)

I know this seems like a lot of questions, but if kids are in mainstream and it is deemed they are capable of it, then surely the accommodations should allow them to access as much of the typical activities of the school day as possible, which includes lunch.

I'm speaking about all this as the mother of 2 children who have literally zero qualms about decking another one with a stick if they are angry, and who has had to have several meetings with nursery about how they need to supervise them closely at times of transitions, or toy sharing, and that just telling them that he didn't use kind hands isn't an intervention (lol). Luckily we have managed to direct ours towards making friends with kids who match them in terms of physicality (working out who they are and going on playdates), so they rough and tumble but are quite evenly matched, so me and the other mums just sort of dust them off and tell them to move away if they aren't happy with the level of roughness, which then translates better into nursery.

Also, on another note, we have had to actively teach our boys "fair play" in rough and tumble- so now we have specific rules about consent, only in the mat, no biting or scratching, only hold for 3 seconds then release, all that jazz. I only say that because it gives them a framework of positive physical play and how to "tease" whilst learning the boundaries. It means a lot of narration- "no, look, your brother is crying because you scratched his face, we don't scratch when we are playing, he is crying, he is hurt. How can we make it better?" Etc. I wonder whether developing something like that could support his development of knowing some realistic boundaries with other kids at school If just not hitting is a steps too far right now.

There are lots of different factors at play here, but don't be afraid to advocate for him. It's not too much for them to make accommodations to support him into the usual ebb and flow of school life, nor is it too much to expect to be kept informed about the progress. Any extreme intervention like isolation should have significant impact, and you should be able to have a measurable outcome. If not, then you can question how useful it will be for your particular child and enquire as to what other options are available or have been considered.

sunshineandskyscrapers · 01/02/2024 22:20

I have a child who finds school dysregulating and in particular the lunch hall, so I have been through some of what you're experiencing. There is fine line to tread here in ensuring that your son feels supported and not punished for the difficulties he is going through. I would also question based on what you have written whether the school is actually looking to put support in place, or just sanctions that they hope will magically cure his behaviour (spoiler alert .. they won't). There is nothing you've written that makes me think that they are putting his needs first. I couldn't quite believe what I was reading about purposely making him wait for food. This is the exactly the kind of thing that would tip my son over the edge, and he doesn't have food insecurities per se. Given that your son came to you when he was a bit older has he brought issues around food with him? If so, I would absolutely let the school know so that they don't keep making him wait to prove some ridiculous point.

Based on my own experience, I would get him out of the lunch hall and into a separate room. The biting is a clear indicator that he is not feeling safe in that space. But just putting him with a senior member of staff to have his lunch is going to feel to him like a punishment, so it needs handling very carefully, and I would I put that concern directly to the ALNCo and ask how she sees it working. The last thing he needs is to start building a narrative around himself about having been taken out for being 'bad'. I am surprised with a school that size that there isn't already a group of children who have lunch in a quieter space, because they can't tolerate the noise of the dinner hall. My son's school has this, and I thought it was the norm in larger schools. If such a group doesn't exist, perhaps he could invite a friend or two each day for a lunch date in the separate room. From a supervision point of view it would not make the senior member of staff's life any harder and would make a great deal of difference to your son's wellbeing and self-esteem.

As for the breakfast club, I would pull him out. It's not a part of the school day so this is not a battle you need to fight. I know you said that he finds breakfast at home stressful, but it sounds like breakfast at breakfast club is also stressful, and at least you are in control in your own home. Isn't there something you can do to make his breakfast time calmer and set him up for a better chance of a successful day at school? Failing that, a child minder might be an option. At least they would have things to play with and probably a smaller group of children.

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