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Throwing

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Torvy · 16/01/2024 22:51

AS (4) has always been "a thrower" when he is cross or frustrated. Anything and everything is thrown when he is cross. We know it is trauma based, and that he really doesn't mean it, it's his way of controlling things, showing us he is angry etc.

However, it is getting increasingly dangerous and difficult as he gets older. Whereas once he couldn't reach dangerous stuff that we put up high, he now can, and although he is only 4, he can throw like an Olympic shot putter on steroids when angry.

He varies what he throws, and you can see him deliberating what to throw as well- so from across the room he will throw shoes, cups, crayons or bags depending on how much he wants the items to hurt. (Linked to attention/connection seeking, but still...) no amount of strategies I have used seem to work, but this is what I've tried so far at various points:

Offering a distraction immediately as he comes in

Validating feelings- you seem angry, I wonder if etc

Trying to get him to breathe

Directing into throwing something else/something soft

Throwing games outside instead, at different times, during the episode, before any potential episodes etc

The usual regulatory things- snacks, drinks, chewellery, tablet time, wrestling/rough play, sensory swing time.

Logical consequences"You throw it you lose it" - then he throws other people's stuff not his own

Changing up the environment- less light, less noise, more light, more noise, fewer toys more toys etc.

Its something thats always just below the surface and there is a constant threat of throwing because it is so easily done and so easy to get a reaction. He will hold things above his head and announce he is going to throw whatever it is. I try to be calm and tell him we don't throw, I understand he is cross but throwing is dangerous etc, but that only works about 3/10 times. Normally whatever it is is winging its way through the air towards its target before you know it. It's now causing physical injury to his brother and damaging stuff Because it is thrown so hard.

Its so stressful because there is literally nothing I can do about it if I want to live in a normal house and not some sort of prison cell where he is allowed nothing but soft toys and surfaces at all times. At any given moment he could lob something at your face, smash a plate or cup on the ground or throw a metal fork at your head. I can't bring myself to eat off plastic plates (yet) but I feel constantly on edge if he is in any way off kilter because if I let my guard down for a second, or deny him anything at all (and of course, his demands are ridiculous because #4yearold) there is a very real and present danger of a barrage of wax crayons being pelted at me or his brother because he wasnt allowd a 4th banana or cake for breakfast.

The problem is that if I talk to anyone else about it, they either dismiss it as a phase (oh my 2year old throws her food in the floor hahahaha) or looks at me like I'm raising an absolute hellion. I need advice from the middle ground, where we can all acknowledge it is trauma based, doesn't make him a terrible kid, but by goodness me i am so, so desperate for it to stop because it bloody hurts and I would like to be able to have a fruit bowl that is for oranges and not wannabe shotputs.

I don't know how much longer my dignity can take being bombarded with hot wheels as I chase him round the kitchen like a demented chicken trying to stop him from giving his little brother yet another black eye from an inopportune car to his face.

Any strategies I've missed? Any recommendations?

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Patchyman1 · 17/01/2024 09:48

No help at all but you have my sympathy. My 10 year old is a thrower. Always has been. Mealtimes are always on a knife edge as he randomly throws his food or tips his plate. He throws his stuff down the stairs, at us you name it. He even threw his nintendo switch out the car window as we were travelling at about 50mph. Luckily it didn't hit anything or anyone. He didn't learn from it.

startatthegin · 17/01/2024 16:46

I would contact post adoption support, this is exactly the sort of thing they can help with.

AngieBear41 · 17/01/2024 17:55

My step son from a previous relationship was a thrower. De-escalation did not work. So finally I gave him some options....with clear consequences. You can go ahead and throw X Y Z but if you do that item will be removed and you will not get it back. He called my bluff and threw a heavy remote controlled truck. I calmly responded by collecting the truck and throwing it away. He cried for like half an hour recovered and never threw anything again.

startatthegin · 17/01/2024 18:06

AngieBear41 · 17/01/2024 17:55

My step son from a previous relationship was a thrower. De-escalation did not work. So finally I gave him some options....with clear consequences. You can go ahead and throw X Y Z but if you do that item will be removed and you will not get it back. He called my bluff and threw a heavy remote controlled truck. I calmly responded by collecting the truck and throwing it away. He cried for like half an hour recovered and never threw anything again.

That's interesting. Was your step-son adopted? Experienced developmental trauma?

AngieBear41 · 17/01/2024 18:41

startatthegin · 17/01/2024 18:06

That's interesting. Was your step-son adopted? Experienced developmental trauma?

Not adopted but yes he did have trauma and was diagnosed with some mental health issues. He was also supposedly developmentally delayed but I started working with him with one on one and found he was actually very bright BUT the schools here in the U.S can be trashy and I think they just didn't want to deal with him. So gave him a "label".my youngest niece was in a similar position but had parents who fought for her and she was placed in a gifted program graduated high school two years early my step sons dad however was also VERY negligent. Which is one of the reasons we split we fought about the kids (he had two) lack of care constantly. That's another story....

Beetham · 17/01/2024 19:16

@Torvy We (thankfully) don't have issues with throwing but I can imagine how exhausting it is, with my children it's both the relentlessness and unpredictability that's gets to me.

As @startatthegin suggested I would be looking at post adoption support. My youngest child has just had a Sensory assessment done through ASF, I didn't ask for it but her SW thought it would be useful due very persistent biting behaviours and we had just enough left of the years ASF to pay for it. I thought it couldn't hurt but to be honest didn't think it would be very valuable and just went along with it. Well I was wrong, it was sooo helpful and informative, the OT was amazing and the reports very thorough with lots of practical advice. It's already beginning to make a big difference and has opened my eyes to her sensory experiences on a day to day basis.

@AngieBear41 I'm glad your step son was supported with his needs and was able to stop throwing things. The parents on this board are 'parenting on steroids' and generally speaking have children with exceptional needs due to developmental trauma. Torvy really helpfully laid out loads of approaches she has tried including natural consequences. It can be hurtful and frustrating when we are given advice like the advice you offered because it (almost always) doesn't work the same as it does for others due to the child's developmental trauma and it can feel isolating to get the same advice which isn't appropriate for our families- I find it just ends up highlighting our difficulties.

Torvy · 17/01/2024 23:01

@Patchyman1 thank you for your reply, its so hard, isn't it? It's the continual possibility and the fact that it is often so dramatic or final that is hard. And when you say your son didn't learn, I get that completely. He just doesn't put consequences together.

@startatthegin we are currently wrangling with PAS for sensory integration stuff, and it's like trying to get blood from a stone. Kust out ofninterest, is there any therapy or intervention that you can recommend in particular, or might have heard of on the grapevine? We have done GBB, but it isn't quite working the wonders lots of other people seem to report.

@AngieBear41 , as @Beetham pointed out, it is tricky to explain to people who haven't experienced adoption because it is a specific trauma for the child and it really does affect their understanding of consequences in that moment. Their understanding of cause and effect can be so limited when dysregulated that it is pointless threatening to take things away because we would have nothing left in the house. It simply doesn't click with him. He has a specific fear of his stuff being taken away from him, and that presents in further dysregulation which he deliberately escalates because he is terrified and wants to push the boundaries and prove that he can make me hurt/angry and prove to himself he doesn't deserve love or nice things anyway.

Thank you to all for your responses, it's good to know I'm not alone. It hasn't fixed the problem, but today I cleared up their toy area so that there were fewer immediately available missiles and we went to the park after school rather than coming back to the house straight away so that we could all have a break from what is fast becoming a hellish 2 hours. It was freezing, but the throwing/dysregulation was easier to cope with when it was only a 15 minute chunk before a microwaved dinner!

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startatthegin · 17/01/2024 23:32

@Torvy
I would recommend treating this as violence and aggression, and doing NVR or similar. ASF does take time. And I'm not sure that this current fad for 'sensory processing' is all that, tbh. It feels like it's being given to everyone as a panacea, rather than assessing what they actually need. Like all kids will be cured of difficult behaviour when given ear defenders and a fidget spinner.

Kewcumber · 18/01/2024 13:04

I'm impressed some of you recommend PAS - the only thing we got offered when I was desperate was life story work and when I pointed out that we would need someone with experience of a child with zero pre-adoption information, that very quickly dried up too!

I have/had a thrower - it hasn't stopped at 18 but he is careful to not throw at anyone these days but I could show you chunks out of kitchen worktops and holes in walls that would chart his life. He should have had a promising career as a shotputter.

What worked (to a degree) was talking, talking talking and talking about how I understood that he was angry but that it would be easier to help if he used his words. If he was throwing AT me (which to be fair was rare) I would talk about being hurt and how it wasn't nice to hurt someone who loved him. It did eventually calm down as he got older and developed a little more control over his emotions.

To be honest heading it off worked best of all though isn't always possible. Could you find a way to redirect - boxing against a foam pad or boxing bag. I think many of our children have internalised anger often caused by anxiety or feeling out of control (that's a personal opinion not a professional one). I found ANY physical exercise helped - "you seem really cross, shall we go for a mad run around the block?"

I never found taking things away worked very well. DS dealt with not having anything he deserved very well - he EXPECTED to not have anything he deserved. To me the natural consequence is not "you can't have that anymore" but, "we don't want that to get broken so I'll put it away until you're feeling better and we can play with it together later".

I might even try "you deserve to have nice things so I'll keep this safe for you later" or "you seem very angry would you like to tell me with your words what you're thinking? You can shout it as loud as you like!".

DS still finds swearing and shouting a release valve and I allow it because it does actually help him regulate and he has developed enough to be able to control himself in public. Can't tell you how many Xbox controllers he's gone through (at his own cost) but interestingly has never thrown the Xbox itself or his ipad or phone. He once broke a TV accidentally throwing the remote - and had to replace it. He hasn't done that again.

Not much help but though it sounds a bit mad, it is now mostly managable.

startatthegin · 18/01/2024 13:50

@Kewcumber PAS is all about 'sensory integration' just now. It was about lifestory a few years ago, but I think the fashion/funding has changed.

I would argue for NVR training- it sounds like you did this instinctively. NVR has been the one and only useful thing I've had.

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