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Older child adoption questions

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Rosebud2005 · 31/05/2021 12:39

Hi are there any adoptees on here who were adoption at an older age or even adopted parents here Of older adoptees? I really could do with some advice x

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sassygromit · 01/06/2021 20:57

I think I would say something similar to ted27 that my advice here will be the same as it has been on the other threads, eg about life story work, about being involved in him engaging with birth family and supporting him, and you focusing on building your relationship and your connection with him now. It might be worth reading back on the advice on your old threads with fresh eyes?

I think a key thing here is him talking about his thoughts and feelings to you. I get the feeling that although he seemed happy when he was younger, he didn't talk frequently about his thoughts and feelings? That might have affected his feelings of not being connected? But if so it is not too late. For example, between the ages of 15 and 17 someone I knew was a really good listener, almost a sounding board, and this was really important, I was able work out my true thoughts and feelings, and how my own narrative differed from the narratives I had been given as a child about how I "should" feel. By being able to talk and work out how I really felt gave me confidence and helped me feel connected to that person. I was then able to work out how to build bridges over the differences between my own narrative and the narrative of my adoptive parents and the narrative of my bio family. The focus being on him talking now about his thoughts and feelings for as long as it takes might help build his confdence? I hope that makes sense.

One thing I have noticed is that when you start threads, your opening post is quite short, and each has a slightly different emphasis and it means the responses you have received have been quite disparate. I think it might be helpful for you to go back and do a chronological history - so saying how things were at each age, what he said at each age, what he said to explain why he wanted to call you about first names and how old he was at the time, when he stopped engaging in extra curricula activities, when he stopped engaging academically, when he has self harmed, what external help there has been and when,etc etc and do a more comprehensive opening post so that people have the full picture. If you just say "he has recently said..." then people may say that this is just teenage behaviour, whereas if you explain that he has always called you by first names, and that he stopped engaging in extracurricular activities a couple of years ago and stopped engaged in academic work because the teachers were so discouraging, then people will see it is more complex and that it goes back further than just teenage angst. This is just my opinion though, but I do think it would just mean that you would get more focused advice.

Incidentally I don't think that there is one set predetermined route for adopted teenagers. I know teenagers who went on to have adult relationships with both birth and adoptive parents, and I know those who went on to reject either or both of their birth and adoptivefamilies, and others who were rejected by one or other or both of their birth and adoptive families, and others who have swung back and forth over the years. You cannot assume any one thing will just happen. It comes down to the underlying relationships.

Re academics, when I was doing GCSEs and A levels I had recently moved areas and my new teachers spent most of their time on strike or being dismissive with most pupils at school (ie you have said you ds feels discouraged and I can relate to that) and for me it helped having someone basically saying ignore it, go in and do your best, just aim for good results in exams, and if you get through it you will move on to university and never need to see the teachers again. So my advice here is that encouragement and helping with strategies goes a long way once your ds has worked out what he really would like to do/study (I said that in your previous thread about academic work, though I had a different username in that thread - you wanted to help him and I said that that sounded great).

Just looking at your more recent posts Sw insisted she’s a good person, she tried and wasn’t always bad - despite the clear neglect in fact I agree with your SW here. There were reasons, as you have said, which led to the drinking, and there always are reasons - not excuses, but reasons. We all know how cognitively impaired we are with a relatively small amount of alcohol - by addiction stage the person has lost control. But my concern here would be that your ds understands alcholism as if he does go on to have a relationship with her, and she is still alcoholic, he will need to learn to cope with that, and to understand the affect all of this had on him at different stages of his life, so that he can make good choices for himself as to what he wants from the future. There’s no way he could have comprehended why she did all that though It is really tough to have a parent who is alcoholic but it is possible to learn to comprehend it.

Sorry that was so long.

sassygromit · 02/06/2021 20:23

OP please can I just ask Those were the exact words my husband and I used this morning. Not for him to expect the fairytale ending he thinks it’s going to be do you mean you and your dh said to him "don't expect the fairytale ending it is going to be"? How did he react? What has he said that made you think he thought he was going to get a fairytale ending?

In relation to what your SW has said about barnadoes, if you start a thread just asking for recommendations about how to get decent life story work you may well get reaklly good advice about how to source it.

Rosebud2005 · 02/06/2021 21:08

Thank you. No the last comment was made during a conversation with myself and my husband. We wouldn’t actually say something like that to him.
What we mean is what you mention there about some keeping in touch, some deciding to continue writing, some don’t meet up, some do. Some are rejected etc. like you say it’s differently for everyone but he just always has said when he is 16 he is going to back to his mum. I have tried to give him this advice around what may or may not happen, if they ever are to meet or not. We just don’t want him being disappointed after all these years.
I understand what you mean about explaining things in more a chronological way. I do tend to come in with ideas of what I want to ask but sometimes in writing, it can get a bit squifffy along the way.
Him and I have always had a wonderful bond. He’s always been able to talk to me about anything at all. Anything that worried him he wasn’t particularly great at speaking but more writing so I told him to write down his feelings and thoughts and he always would leave me little notes. Since hitting the teens he’s a bit more distant than that. He will still talk to me about things but sometimes needs coaxing.
He was always in clubs when he was younger, I had him in running, swimming, Cubs/scouts, later taekwondo. He also did after school clubs throughout primary and is popular among friends and teachers. He just feels anxious about being around big groups of people and feels self conscious about himself. He would try them for so long and then leave. I can’t persuade him to do any now. I would love for him to get involved in skill building classes, clubs those kind of things but he doesn’t want to. Right now he’s just concentrating on his exams. The last year has been a nightmare for him having to homeschool. He thrives more in class so now he’s back he’s picking up again is a bit happier about things. He still feels a lot of anxiety though. His old support teacher was fab and really helped us but he now has a different one who actually used to be one of his teachers and we happened to complain about her to the previous support teacher as he couldn’t concentrate. He said she was too shouty and shouted from the minute they went in to the minute they left the class. That doesn’t do his nerves any good at all. Trouble is now he can’t even go to her for support so leaves me to sort it.

When I said sw said birth mum was a good person, yes they did but we also had the chance to meet her a couple of times. We know ourselves events leading up to adoption and well nobody could blame her for ending up this way but it’s not really for us to judge her anyway. All we know is what we’re told. We’re here to love and care for our son and that’s that. She writes to him and sends birthday cards. So she can’t be all bad can she? I’m pretty sure how she felt about him.

Thank you for your helpful advice. I’ll try be clearer in future x

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sassygromit · 02/06/2021 21:30

My bio mother is by no means perfect, but I have a pretty good relationship with her as an adult. She couldn't meet my needs when I was a young child, my parenting is nothing like her parenting but she made a huge effort when I was a teen, and we have a perfectly fine relationship as adults because i have no needs as an adult - I understand her and what happened, and we just know eachother for what we are. It is quite possible your ds will end up the same. It won't be a fairy tale but it might well be a positive experience, if he can cope with it and manage it, if it is also difficult.

You have a lot on your plate, with exams, helping him find his confidence, organising life story work, finding help for him. FWIW I would focus on those things, on the present, focus just on his needs in the present, aiming towards him being happy and stable and achieving in 2 years' time, but try not to worry about what will actually be the case in 2 years,if that makes sense. If you sort out now, as best as possible, the future will look after itself.

That might be terrible advice, but it is probably what I would do in your shoes! It is very hard not to worry about dc's futures, I know.

PS I am pleased I completely misread what you wrote about telling him it wouldn't be a fairytale. then again I was thinking afterwards - if I said that to my (much younger) dc I would simply get an interrogation about what exactly I meant, why exactly it wouldn't it be a fairytale what exactly is a fairytale anyway...

Allington · 04/06/2021 19:58

DDs were 2 and 10 when they started coming for respite, 5 and 13 when they came home forever.

DD1 was very rejecting as a teen, definitely torn between her family/community of birth and being my daughter, and often very rejecting of me. Now, aged 22, I am very definitely 'Mum' and appreciated!

She needed to work through it for herself, and needed me to accept her conflicted feelings and be there for her consistently.

DD2 goes through phases of intense grief for first mum, and needs me to accept that. Most of the time though I am just Mum, who is always there.

Allington · 04/06/2021 20:28

To add - DD1 made contact with her birth father and his family and had an ecstatic few weeks... then she gradually realised all their promises were meaningless.

Your Ds can talk to you about his feelings for his birth family, which shows how much he trusts you. That won't go away. If/when he makes contact with his birth family they will either value and support his relationship with you (if they are able to put his needs first), or they won't - and their inability to put his needs first will become obvious to him over time. In which case, he will need you as much as ever

sassygromit · 04/06/2021 21:34

OP have you managed to make headway re getting some lifestory therapeutic work?

Rosebud2005 · 04/06/2021 21:42

We’ve contacted barnardos to get it done x

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sassygromit · 05/06/2021 07:57

That sounds great, I hope that it goes well.

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