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Older child adoption questions

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Rosebud2005 · 31/05/2021 12:39

Hi are there any adoptees on here who were adoption at an older age or even adopted parents here Of older adoptees? I really could do with some advice x

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Ted27 · 31/05/2021 13:00

My son was adopted age 8 and is now 16

sassygromit · 31/05/2021 13:14

I went to live with adoptive family at 6, formally adopted by same family a few years later.

Rosebud2005 · 31/05/2021 13:34

Hi Sassygromit,

Thanks for your quick reply. We adopted our son age 7 after he had been passed through a few different foster carers and back and forth from birth Mum which obviously didn’t work out. He’s always seemed as a little boy happy being here, although very scared at the prospect of ‘forever.’
I’m not sure he really ever has understood the concept of adoption and forever family. As he sees it he’s always had it in his mind as soon as he’s 16 he will go back to her and it will be fine. Nothing was ever really an issue with him through the years though but moving on 8 years til now, he tells me he doesn’t feel connected. Attached, bonded with us or our families. No matter what I say he doesn’t feel we are his family and has never called us mum and dad. Always first names. We said this was fine by us as we didn’t want to put pressure on him as we knew how much his birth mum meant to him. Lately he has become more and more anxious about life and I think he’s really struggling with it all. Sw insisted back then he didn’t need life story work which I said he did. We never got it.
It’s really the attachment I’m worried about at the moment and how would be best to support him with this. He goes into fifth year next term and I want him to be as settled and confident as possible. His confidence and self esteem are taking a real knock. Is there anything you maybe thing we could be doing differently? Thanks. Sorry it was so long!

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UnderTheNameOfSanders · 31/05/2021 13:50

Our elder one was almost 8 when we adopted.

From your previous threads, I really question whether the SWs did the right thing by your son. If he wasn't ready for a new mum and dad (and to call them that), then maybe long term he would have been more settled in LTFC. But that's bye the bye now.

Our DD seemed pretty settled until she went to college. All of a sudden she went off track, and we too had the 'not feeling connected' statements. We feel some of that might be true, but there was also quite a bit of teenage rewriting the narrative to fit what she wanted now.

We saw a parenting coach who said she felt that adoption issues always come out at some point, and you can't know when, and you can't head them off.

Our youngest is y11, and we have had a hell of a year, everything has fallen apart for her, she's not been accessing education at all. We have adoption support involved now, which is helpful, and we may be doing life story work later this year when she is stronger.

This is a long convoluted way of saying I really feel for you, but I have no advice at all, as this stuff seems so difficult to predict. Flowers

UnderTheNameOfSanders · 31/05/2021 13:51

should that be by the by ?

Rosebud2005 · 31/05/2021 14:37

Thank you. Yes your right, I’m not balky that sw decided this. Her words were “he’s 7 and is well aware of what’s been going on in his life”. He was 7 for gods sake! Yeah he knew things that happened in mum’s house, he knew there were days where he had to find his own food, he knew he was going from home to home because “mum wasn’t able to look after him” but he never and I know he still doesn’t know why, what led to her being the way she was, etc. how they could say that was beyond me. We’ve always known it could rare it‘a head again one day in one way or another but I’m bracing myself for what that’s going to be.

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Rosebud2005 · 31/05/2021 14:38

@Ted27

My son was adopted age 8 and is now 16
Hi there, have you experience any of the above yourself? I know we have spoke about things in the past in her Smile
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Rosebud2005 · 31/05/2021 14:38

Here!

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MyDcAreMarvel · 31/05/2021 14:43

Hi I was adopted at six and to b honest I rally struggled, so much so that the adoption broke down at 24 and I went back into the care system. I resumed contact with my bm at 17 but it wasn’t the fairytale I thought it would be , we get on fine but she doesn’t feel like my mum. Since the age of 18 I have had a really strong relationship with my mum and dad and it’s as if the ages of 14-18 never happened.

MyDcAreMarvel · 31/05/2021 14:43

14 not 24.

UnderTheNameOfSanders · 31/05/2021 14:46

What is his life story book like? Full of holes and hopeless?
Does he have a later life letter waiting?

I would say either grasp the nettle and try to do some stuff this summer, or hope you can hang on another year until after GCSEs.

But honestly, I'm clueless, so my advice might be way off.
The pandemic hit at just the wrong time for DD2.

Ted27 · 31/05/2021 15:11

@Rosebud2005

I don't really think I have anything to add to the numerous other replies I've made
I think you need to move on from what the SW said years ago.
It would have helped if he'd had life story work when he was 7. But the life story s not a one off, it's something to return to as they mature. The life story work he would have now is very different to what you give a 7 year old.
I can only reiterate, he talks to you,that's good,your relationship is stronger than you think.
The school counsellor is not good enough. Get him the life story work

Rosebud2005 · 31/05/2021 15:13

I know what you mean about the pandemic. It’s thrown so many spammers in the works and I feel like we’ve totally failed him

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Rosebud2005 · 31/05/2021 15:16

@MyDcAreMarvel

Hi I was adopted at six and to b honest I rally struggled, so much so that the adoption broke down at 24 and I went back into the care system. I resumed contact with my bm at 17 but it wasn’t the fairytale I thought it would be , we get on fine but she doesn’t feel like my mum. Since the age of 18 I have had a really strong relationship with my mum and dad and it’s as if the ages of 14-18 never happened.
Hi I’m so sorry to hear about your poor experience. Those were the exact words my husband and I used this morning. Not for him to expect the fairytale ending he thinks it’s going to be. I feel he’s built up this big dream that ok he knows what everyone has told him about the fact she had issues and that other things must have led to these issues so deep down she really must have wanted him to stay with her forever so it wasn’t all her fault. I asked him last night about memories he has with her, he only remembers one holiday. That’s it.
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Rosebud2005 · 31/05/2021 15:22

I mean he came to us at 7 but he actually started going around the care system at 2 and a half which is a hell of a long time between that and adopting. I guess it’s no wonder he feels like he’s still in foster care and is waiting for the day he’s told he’s moving again. I said there is no way he is expected to be moving anywhere, we are not his foster carers and he will always always be our son. I feel like it’s July words and that he doesn’t really feel it’s true. He knows we’re Mum and dad because we told him we’re Mum and dad but it seems to be based on everything that he’s been ‘told’ and not ‘feeling the love or attachment’ of that makes sense. I spoke to my old sw recently and she has now said I could get life story done through barnardos or somewhere. Is that what sw do? Drop you as soon as adoption goes through never to offer support again?

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mahrezzy · 31/05/2021 15:35

Do you have all the SW reports and can you do a life story book? I don’t know anyone happy with the ones done by the SWs!

Rosebud2005 · 31/05/2021 15:49

Yes we have our report and we have his later life letter. Some of which we didn’t even know but not much surprises in them

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Jellycatspyjamas · 01/06/2021 08:50

The point of life story work isn’t that they know the facts, it’s that they understand and are able to process the information about their early years, can process the trauma that inevitably comes up as they understand what their own life story means to them. The sw was utterly wrong in saying he didn’t need it, but even if he did have that work done then, you’d be revisiting it now because his cognitive processes are very different now and the support he needs is different.

I’m guessing you’re in Scotland given you talk about 5th year, post adoption support is accessed differently here than in England, where many replies will be coming from. We don’t have “post adoption support” in the same ring fenced funding way, it’s accessed through your local authority adoption team. The reality is that most therapeutic work is contracted out and in many areas Barnardos are contracted suppliers for life story work - they provide an excellent service and have a lot of research and specialism in this area so I’d take them up on that offer.

If you think your son will contact (or might already be in contact with) his birth family I’d ask the local authority to arrange support for this, it’ll likely be someone like The Red Cross or Salvation Army that actually provide the service but the LA would pay for it.

In terms of attachment, I’d ask for a referral to CAMHS, it’ll take ages - and depending on age he might be close to aging out - but many CAMHS services have a team specifically for care experienced and adopted children, something like DDP may be really helpful or therapeutic life story work which sometimes falls into CAMHS remit. If CAMHS either won’t take him or he’s at risk of aging out, the local authority may be prepared to pay for a private practitioner so really press them on it.

You’re going to need to be tenacious, getting support for teenagers who aren’t presenting “clinically” eg self harm, depressed etc is difficult, and some presentations in teenagers get addressed as behavioural instead of identifying therapeutic need. His care experienced status helps here because it creates a duty on the local authority to support him beyond 16, which is their usual cut off for children’s services. It’s also work looking at COPEs website, while their service is for families where a child has additional support needs your son falls into that bracket by virtue of being care experienced - in Scotland children who have been in care at any point are deemed to have additional support needs unless they are specifically assessed not to have, which is useful in negotiating with schools and support services.

It’s going to be challenging, and I know how distressing it must be for you to hear he doesn’t feel any attachment to you. Do hold in mind that this struggle with his identity is part of his developmental process, he’d be questioning this stuff regardless of how he’s been parented - adoption just adds another layer to a pretty shitty cake. It’s so common for teens to have a romanticised version of their birth family - it helps to protect them psychologically against the impact of knowing how really awful their early years were, good therapeutic life story work will help him pick through this and deal with the emotional fall out. It feels like a huge rejection, but he’s really trying to keep himself safe from the impact of his past and his fear (unfounded and sub conscious) that you’ll leave him when he’s old enough or when you get tired of him. Telling him is good, but this isn’t a logical, cognitive process so you won’t be able to reason him out of it but the reassurance is important.

Also maybe look at counselling for yourself, to help hold you steady while you hold him steady?

Rosebud2005 · 01/06/2021 11:52

Thank you, you have a lot of sound advice in there. It is good to hear from someone who joined exactly where to turn for the support where we are. Yeah the rejection of us I realise it’s all coking from fear and past rejection and sours not intentional. It’s just a sorry when we hear them like this. He has had an eminent of self harm for a couple of years to which someone from cahms visited him in school with me and said she doesn’t think he has mental health problems. (Baffling)
I will get on to these support teams and arrange life story work because he really does need it and for us to be told ourselves we’re never allowed to tell him what happened before the fostering and adoption stage as it’s up to his mum I just feel is completely wrong for him. Yes we understand how traumatizing and personal her own story was but she let him move on so surely that comes under the remit of us deciding what he is and isn’t told? Thanks this is really helpful x

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Jellycatspyjamas · 01/06/2021 12:40

I will get on to these support teams and arrange life story work because he really does need it and for us to be told ourselves we’re never allowed to tell him what happened before the fostering and adoption stage as it’s up to his mum I just feel is completely wrong for him.

What the hell? That’s the worst possible advice/instruction I can imagine - you’ve literally been parenting him with one hand tied behind your back. Adopted children need to know what happened in their family of origin, otherwise they fill in the blanks themselves which, as you’ve discovered, leads to an idealised picture of their birth family, self blame (I was removed because I wasn’t wanted, wasn’t good enough), mistrust of their parents (they got me by default) etc etc. I’d ditch that approach pretty much immediately - and start having gentle, open conversations about what you know of his early years and the circumstances that led to his removal and adoption. Not in a “this is what they’re like” kind of way but a recognition that his parents couldn’t care for him safely, and given his age what that actually means - eg talking about neglect, abuse, substance misuse or whatever it was.

Yes, it’s his birth mums story, but it’s his story too and he needs to know - if there were contributing factors to that in terms of her life story, he needs to know that too. How bloody awful for you, I imagine part of his disconnect with you is that he knows there are things you’re not telling him (because you’ve been instructed not to). I thought we had moved a long way past the point of not telling children about their background - an absolutely essential part of life story work - the advice is at very best mistaken, at worst utterly destructive.

Is there information about his pre-fostering life in his later life letter?

Jellycatspyjamas · 01/06/2021 12:48

The point of life story work isn’t that they know the facts,

I also meant to say, this statement was based on the assumption that he already knows the circumstances of his removal into foster care. Given he doesn’t, the starting point is him knowing his life story, then being able to understand and process it. You’re effectively starting from the beginning - while it’ll be so hard for him to hear, it might fill in the gaps for him too and bring some relief.

Pop me a message if I can help you find a way to start with him.

Flowers for you, you’ve been so badly served by sw on this, be kind to yourself.

Rosebud2005 · 01/06/2021 13:04

He knows about her drinking as he was always there and had to deal with that as a little boy. He knew she got drunk, knew it led to her not being able to care for him and has always been told by us extending to that that things happen to make people do these things. That people can go through traumatic events and will drink etc to somehow forget it or they think this is the way to deal with it but it doesn’t help and it can hurt those they care about. Sw insisted she’s a good person, she tried and wasn’t always bad - despite the clear neglect. However her trauma leading to her drinking and then him coming into the world etc we have been banned from mentioning. So he knows what we know.
Big things to come I feel

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Rosebud2005 · 01/06/2021 13:08

There’s no way he could have comprehended why she did all that though. So to him she’s his mum, I’m not, she cared about him and one day they will be together agin. So I’ve always told him not to expect the dream he has. It won’t be like that, they may be ready to meet, they may not. They may keep in touch or not or they may feel they never are ready and they just want to leave things are they are. In a selfish way I’d rather he didn’t go there but what can you do?

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Jellycatspyjamas · 01/06/2021 13:24

He knew she got drunk, knew it led to her not being able to care for him

The thing he won’t know is just how bad it needs to be before a child is removed, the level of drinking, the extremes of neglect that need to be reached - many many children live with parents who drink, it’s gotten very bad for them to be removed. If you think there are parts that he needs to know that you’ve been banned from telling him, I’d be ignoring the ban.

I have some very sensitive, difficult conversations to have with one of mine when they’re of an age - that technically belongs to their mum but has a direct influence on her care for her children. I’d in no way be prepared not to tell, even though it will be hard for them - they have a right to know and it might help them make sense of things.

I’d be gathering the information you think is missing and finding supportive ways to share it in an age appropriate way.

Rosebud2005 · 01/06/2021 13:46

I’ve only touched on things there but he does know a lot more than I’ve said about that.

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