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reference advice for problematic ROI please

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Helenahandkart · 09/05/2021 22:52

Sorry, this is on the long side:

Quick background – we submitted a ROI form in February and in a subsequent meeting with a SW were told it wouldn’t be accepted. She asked us to take a few weeks to complete a kitchen refurb and use that time to reconsider adoption. If we still wanted to adopt once the kitchen was done then we could resubmit, on the understanding they may reject us again. We think they’re trying to put us off because of my past (short term but serious drug use in my early 20s, and a few other ‘vulnerabilities’ requiring investigation, including a difficult relationship with my mother).

The kitchen’s almost finished and we’re getting our ROI ready to resubmit. In her last email the SW advised we should ‘…consider whether you need to change or add to your list of referees’. In the meeting she seemed to be unhappy that none of our parents were acting as referee. She also told me that I would need referees to cover the period I spent living with a drug addict boyfriend rather than the SW contacting him for a previous partner reference.

Our current references are:
My brother (speak on the phone every week, best friend, very supportive emotionally, practically and financially, but lives at the other end of the UK)

Family friend (same age as my mum, mother figure to me, known for 25 years including most of the time I was using drugs, I’ve looked after all of her grandchildren over the years including overnights, lived with her daughter for several years, she was adopted herself and worked as a SW for many years in child protection and family finding, lives 200 miles away)

Friend (same age as me, known for 18 years, lives locally, see regularly and has two primary age children which I look after occasionally

Husband’s sister (tried to adopt herself so has some insight, lives 200 miles away)

Husband’s friend (known for 25 years, lives locally, see regularly and has two primary age children which we look after occasionally)

Husband’s other friend (known for 25 years, lives locally, see regularly and has a one year old)

I thought this was a good range of references but the SW obviously doesn’t think so, so we're hoping for a bit of advice about who to add or lose.

We think we’re going to swap husband’s sister for his mum, as the lack of a parent seemed to be problematic, but the main issue seems to be me.

I could add in a friend from my hometown - known since I was 14, professional job, three daughters, but I only get to see her once a year. She’s known me through all my ups and downs and we’ve continued regular contact, but she’s 200 miles away.

I could add in my godmother – lives 20 miles away and see her regularly, but a bit Daily Mail and would probably not be much practical use as she is very children-should-be-seen-and-not-heard. However, she thinks the world of me and would definitely let the SW know that I’ve got my act together and am not some useless junkie.

We also have several other friends who live a few minutes’ walk away with young kids, but we haven’t known them as long. One of them is a social worker.

I don't have any contact with my dad, and my mum is profoundly deaf as well as being likely to push her own agenda, at my expense, in an interview with the SW. She isn't reliable and I can't trust her to support me in this. I definitely don't want her to be a referee, I thought a mother figure friend would be a good substitute.

Please can anyone advise what the best option is:
Add in two or three more references? Which one(s)?
Swap out some of our current references?
What’s wrong with our current mix?

We’re determined to get our ROI accepted this time but it feels as though the kitchen makeover is just them stalling for time and hoping we don’t come back, so we need to get this right if we stand a chance!

Thanks for reading this epic post.

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mahrezzy · 09/05/2021 23:33

Given how long the process is the kitchen reason is bizarre…! Unless you have a very large kitchen and very slow builders?

I’m a single adopter so I have six references - only one was a family member and a cousin at that (poor relationship with parents because they’re awful). The rest we’re friends, some I’ve been close to for 20+ years, some newer but more practical for my support network. The SW wanted to see I can sustain relationships (and show I can build attachments, I suppose!) and obviously get to know me better from them.

I had a load of stuff to do to my very old home to make it child friendly. None of that was brought up when I did the ROI and I had until the end of Stage 2 to do it all.

The drugs stuff - well, from what I gathered I think my SW liked that I’d once dabbled as it showed I could overcome something and that I’d have more of an understanding of a troubled teen looking for comfort in all the wrong places… (glib but you know what I mean).

Can you try another agency?

And to answer your question - all of those references seem fine to me.

Helenahandkart · 09/05/2021 23:46

The kitchen stuff does seem very peculiar. Everyone else on the mumsnet adoption board talks about their diy projects getting finished by the end of stage 2, so the SW has obviously decided to use it a way of putting us off, rather than it being a reasonable request.

Having said that, it is quite a large kitchen, and the builders are really slow (the builders are me, making it up as I go along!) It’s almost done now Smile

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Notmenotme · 10/05/2021 06:39

Sounds as though they want people who knew you through the addict phase of your life? Maybe to verify that you have totally changed etc.

This sounds like more references than we’ve had to do before but potentially this is because of the drug problem that you had in the past.

I would say it sounds as though they are clasping at straws though and I would consider finding another agency - sounds like it could end up being “if it’s not one problem it’s another” sort of an issue....

Italiangreyhound · 10/05/2021 09:24

Can I ask us this a local authority or a voluntary agency?

If you switched out a friend fir your dog's mum would that be ok for them?

Italiangreyhound · 10/05/2021 09:25

DH's mum- sorry typo!!

Helenahandkart · 10/05/2021 10:45

@Italiangreyhound

Can I ask us this a local authority or a voluntary agency?

If you switched out a friend fir your dog's mum would that be ok for them?

@Italiangreyhound - unfortunately we don’t have a dog. We’ve got a cat but are NC with her mum Grin

I agree that the agency seem to be throwing up unnecessary obstacles, and that doesn’t bode well. They were really enthusiastic during the preliminary meetings (I was upfront about the previous drug use from day 1 because I knew it could potentially be problematic) but then a new SW got involved and she was SO negative during the meeting.

She not only objected to the drug use, but also told me that I was too fragile to adopt siblings; that my current lack of paid employment (I resigned from a PA role a couple of years ago to single-handedly renovate our house, so I now work unpaid full time as a bricklayer/plasterer/plumber/kitchen fitter/landscaper etc) indicates that my delicate mental health means that my husband is working two jobs to support me while I lie around on a chaise longue having attacks of the vapours.

I’ve had a couple of episodes of depression - one during the drug years, and one after 9 rounds of unsuccessful ivf, so I don’t think that makes me particularly delicate. It’s a shame she hasn’t seen me wielding a pick axe, then she’d have a better idea about my fragile state!

I thought that the fact that I would be able to be with the children full time and that we could already manage well on one wage was a positive for adoption, but apparently not!

She definitely came to the meeting with loads of preconceptions about me based on a couple of forms, so we have a difficult road ahead.

We’re applying through the local authority. They’re a regional agency, so we can’t just switch to the other local authorities nearby as they’re all linked together. At the moment our plan is to try again with them, but if they reject the ROI for a second time we’ll have a go with a VA.

The references were the only thing they flagged up in the post-meeting email, so we thought that they must be significantly problematic but where’ve sure why as two out of three of mine knew me when I took drugs.

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RestingPandaFace · 13/05/2021 11:30

To be honest it maybe sounds like you just didn’t click with the social worker. We had this and I range and asked if someone else could do our assessment as I didn’t feel comfortable. We got a new SW and it was much better.

Italiangreyhound · 14/05/2021 10:13

Helenahandkart any developments?

Helenahandkart · 14/05/2021 11:19

Not yet. We’re still finishing the kitchen and finishing the form and pondering on the best selection of references, so ducks are not quite in a row yet. Thank you for your help. I’ll update when we’ve resubmitted.

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