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What age?

23 replies

Karcheer · 23/01/2021 08:45

Hi,

How did you go about picking what age you would want?

DH and I are both 47. So baby, babies are out of the question.
I had thought i'd want an old children and definitely open to sibling groups (in fact this is my preference). However, all the videos i've watched have made me nervous about older children.

How did you decide? And if you have adopted are you happy you went with that choice?

Thank you.

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Jellycatspyjamas · 23/01/2021 09:40

We were in our mid forties and I knew I didn’t want the nappy, toddling stage of things, I also knew I’d want to work in some form so needed kids who would soon be in school or nursery all being well. I also knew I could cope better with older kids. Our two were 4 and 6 when placed and are 8 and 9 now - I think they’re perfect for us.

Karcheer · 23/01/2021 09:50

@Jellycatspyjamas

We were in our mid forties and I knew I didn’t want the nappy, toddling stage of things, I also knew I’d want to work in some form so needed kids who would soon be in school or nursery all being well. I also knew I could cope better with older kids. Our two were 4 and 6 when placed and are 8 and 9 now - I think they’re perfect for us.
That is so good to hear. These are the ages I was thinking. I think we've more to offer older children.
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Somuddled · 23/01/2021 10:30

(sorry this is so long)
We are still very early stages but we split the ages up and made notes about each. Just whatever came to mind. All with the big caveat that no human is the same and no age would be without challenges and rewards and ultimately it will come to best matches. Actually we made loads of lists, the first one was based on no diagnosed issue e.g Down Syndrome. We have other lists specific to certain disabilities that we think we could support. So ours looks a bit like this:

0-18 months: I adore babies but we are early 30s with no (known) fertility challenges and so if a baby was crucial to us we won't have one biologically. Adopting babies comes with more unknowns about their future. We might both find it hard to bond with a baby as they can't give much back communication wise. Process a bit different e.g. F to A. Just couldn't imagine it. So we ruled it out.

18 months to 3: Notoriously hard age with children, biological and adopted. All toddlers we know need parent by their side constantly. So I high need of 'physical care' needed from us. Fear feeling like their babysitter. Toddlers range massively in their communication abilities. My biggest worry is they are old enough to possibly be devastated at lost of foster parents but not quite old enough to understand adoption and why they live with us now. Not ruled out entirely, will talk to social worker more about it.

3 to 4
Can easily imagine this. Hopefully have some understanding of adoption. Most should have some language skills.Types of activities they will likely need/enjoy fit our skills. More of a personality than toddlers? Potentially have spent a fair time either in unsafe birth home or long stint in foster care so can't underestimate the impact that might have had. Care possibly equally physical and emotional? Will rule this age in.

5 and 6
Can easily imagine this. Similar 'draw' as 3&4 in relation to two way conversation. We would need to be comfortable with likelihood of clear memories of birth family and foster care. Longer time in birth family and care and impacts that come with this. School becomes a factor right away. This has positives and negatives. Feel there is a lot of opportunity to find shared ground and bond with this age. Less physical, more emotional needs (possibly). More knowns in relation to individual needs. Rule this in.

7, 8 and 9
Can sometimes imagine this. Often overlooked and considered hard to place. School is a consideration. We can both remember being this age ourselves (might be an advantage) likely to have siblings. Likely to have played role of parent to younger siblings and need support in being a child. May not have agreed with the adoption, may not want to call us mum and dad (that's okay by us with any age). More knowns? Rule this in depending on circumstances.

10, 11, 12
Less easy to imagine. Need to talk to social worker and research more. We don't have family children in the age group so have very limited experience of what they are like, needs, parenting requirements etc. More info needed before a decision.

Would doing something similar help you?

PaintedLadyWBB · 23/01/2021 10:54

For us personally we just wanted young as possible. We are early 30s and we felt physically fit and able to run around and entertain a small child. Our LO was 19 months when being placed and it was perfect. We still enjoyed the ‘baby’ side of things with first words and becoming more confident with walking but old enough to have some form of awareness and showing independence. I think looking back we would have struggled with our LO being any younger. 19 months was perfect for us. LO already had a character and a personality. We realise now that we didn’t miss out on sleepless nights, night feeds, lack of interaction etc. It’s all about what you feel is right and what you see yourself with. LO’s FC said that they didn’t think it was fair on LO for them to go for adoption because they were in their 50s. They felt they weren’t able to give him the same energy as what a younger family might be able to.

Ted27 · 23/01/2021 13:24

I was clear from the outset that I would be looking for a school age child. I wasn’t that fussed about doing the baby thing, my friends were all way past the baby stage so an older child woulf fit in more. But mostly because I’m a single adopter and financially childcare costs can be crippling but also I didnt want to go through everything just to put a child in a nursery all day.
In the end he was just shy of 8, which was a little older than envisaged but has the perfect match for me so it didnt matter.

A lot of prospective adopters are wary of older children, but in my experience its no harder than a baby, its just different. The advantage is that I knew a lot about him. Many adopters say they don’t want to consider x, y, z, adopt a very young child and end up with x, y, z, and possibly a, b, c as well.

I knew my son had ASD, a learning difficulty, anxiety, he had a statement (old EHC plan) in place and was already in receipt of DLA. I was able to talk to teachers and understsnd how he functioned in schools. He had already developed interests, and although he has developed common interests with me, we were a good fit.
Knowing he had ASD hasn’t made it easier to deal with, but it didnt come as a surprise and I knew exactly what I was getting.

@Somuddled thats a very methodical way of going about it. A few observations, children over 9 are very rarely adopted, certainly 11 and 12 year olds highly exceptional. At 8 my son was in the last chance saloon.
Toddlers need high physical care - yes, but so do many older children. I didnt have to change nappies but it was several years before I wentbout without a pack of wetwipes and a spare pair of underpants. He still can’t tie a shoelace, cut up some food, his personal hygiene leaved a lot to be desired..
My son went very happily to school, but when he got home he was like a limpet, followed me everywhere, very much wanted to be babied. He was desparate for me to carry him but he was just too big, didnt stop him climbing all over me to try and force. He had a lot of very toddlerish behaviours which were exhausting for me. Bed time was a nighmare for months. Even when he settled down, bedtime would take hours because this was the time of day he felt calmest and able to talk. We would literally talk for hours, I’d fall asleep on his bed, end up with no evening. Even now at 16, he still comes for a chat before he goes to bed, sometimes its 5 minutes, other times its much longer. I think your thoughts around when a child might understand adoption may be a little optimistic. And even if they do understand, its no less traumatic.

My own view is to keep an open mind. If you are set on a certain age range, you may miss the right child. I’m not suggesting if you want a baby, look at 8 year olds. But if you are thinking 2 to 3, don’t rule out 4 to 5. That 3 year old may well have a birthday between the time you first see them and getting them home.
I now know that in the information I saw, my son was 6. He was three monthd shy of 8 when he came home.

ifchocolatewerecelery · 23/01/2021 13:57

We adopted due to fertility issues. I said I'd consider 0-5 age range, OH was much more specific and said he wanted as young a child as possible. He pointed out that childhood doesn't last that long and he wanted to experience as much of it as possible. Our LO was 13 months when she came home and is now 4. They are very different ages and I can't imagine adopting a 4 year old now. I think that having to do nappy changes, etc, with her at 13 months was key to building our relationship as it led to a level of natural interaction between us that I would find difficult to sustain with a much more physically able and independent 4 year old.

Jellycatspyjamas · 23/01/2021 16:38

I would find difficult to sustain with a much more physically able and independent 4 year old.

I too would caution against the idea that older means more independent- both of mine needed (and still need) a lot of physical care and contact. They were both like little limpets when placed with us and couldn’t dress independently, use a knife and fork, play independently, toilet training wasn’t reliable for either child. My youngest has some sense of adoption now but really didn’t when placed, my older child still struggles to make sense of her adoption.

I’d advise folk to keep in mind that whatever age group they go for, the child may be younger emotionally and developmentally - not always, but in many cases. An older child doesn’t necessarily mean you won’t have some element of toilet training, language development, physical care etc.

Karcheer · 23/01/2021 17:48

@Jellycatspyjamas one of the videos I was watching yesterday about brain development said there is a very big difference between a childs "age" and their brain age when they've been through trauma.

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Frogartist · 23/01/2021 17:50

Hi, We wanted as young as possible and adopted a newborn (Early Permanence placement) at 49. Do you not actually want a baby or have you been told you are too old?

AncientEmo · 23/01/2021 19:59

We opted for 0-3 as we are on the younger side (29 and 30 when placed) so we thought having an older kid wouldn't feel right for our personal time line if that makes sense? We just felt too young to effectively parent an older child (obviously there are parents much younger than us doing a great job so no shade, it just didn't feel right for us).

Also our friends have mostly aged 0-3 children so we wanted to be close so we could get them on playdates and stuff.

We saw an amazing presentation from a parent who'd adopted a 6 year old and we seriously considered adopting older. In the end our son was 13 months when placed. The perfect age because we were able to do some baby things but we don't feel we missed out on too much. The uncertainty surrounding development is difficult though.

ifchocolatewerecelery · 24/01/2021 09:22

*I would find difficult to sustain with a much more physically able and independent 4 year old.

I too would caution against the idea that older means more independent- both of mine needed (and still need) a lot of physical care and contact*

My 4 year still needs lots of physical and emotional support. What I mean by this comment is that I carry her a lot less, partly because she now walks and partly because she's too heavy to carry as long. She is mostly toilet trained so there are no more nappies. When we are not in lockdown, she is in school and for older adopted children they are expected at some point to go to school while their parents are on adoption leave.

CharlieSays13 · 24/01/2021 18:22

Our 3 were 4, 5 and very nearly 7 when they came home. I was 41 and husband 44. We very much wanted a sibling group and they were such a good match for us. I am in many ways a little sad to have missed the baby days but we resigned ourselves to that. Our 3 are wonderful and we've absolutely no regrets about becoming parents to slightly older children. All 3 of ours are emotionally younger than their chronological age and will 'need' us for a long time to come.

FoolShapeHeart · 27/01/2021 02:52

I was mid 40s & my son was under 1, I was focussed on pre school age as I was concerned about having enough time to bond with school in the mix, but was happy to consider any age within that range. Only change I'd make is to have had him home sooner.

Yolande7 · 27/01/2021 13:08

Why do videos of older children make you nervous? I would have a think about that.

We adopted a 5 and a 6 year old and I would do it again in a heartbeat. We could explain to them and talk things over, which helped massively. My older one understood that adoption would give her the sense of safety and belonging she craved, so she was thrilled. My younger one saw less of a need for a new family, but was open to it nevertheless.

At the same time, they were still very little, loved being cuddled and wanted to be carried around non-stop if possible. Our little one followed me everywhere and our older one spend hours lying on my husband being calmed and comforted by his heartbeat - just like a baby.

I think every age is great. However, if you adopt a young child, there will be great unknowns and if you adopt and older child that child has potentially experienced more trauma. I would go with what feels right for you.

Rufus27 · 27/01/2021 13:25

We were approved for a single child aged 4 upwards. We were both in our later 40s and I’ve never been interested in babies, so it was an easy decision. I wasn’t going to do nappies!

6 months later AS arrived ... aged 8 months. And his 8 month old sister joined us a year later Grin

Much to our total astonishment, we fell in love with his story, loved the fact he was local (all the children we’d seen up to then were from other parts of the country) and had this gut feeling about him which made his age irrelevant.

No regrets. They are now 3 and 4, both have a range of additional needs, but they’re awesome.

sabzino · 27/01/2021 20:04

I am a single adopter initially I wanted a baby but know early permanence is not for me. As I have thought about it more I have settled on a children from 2-4. Mainly because I want time with them before school but partly because financially it would cripple me. Due to my income the amount of support I would get is limited. It's almost as though I get penalised for working.

2mums1son · 28/01/2021 10:03

I think its often a case of waiting to see profiles and seeing what happens - you may be surprised! We adopted our son when he was 3 years 2 months and he had been in foster care for a while, with a significant period in the middle where he had been in a family placement that broke down. So there were lots of 'risks' in terms of attachment. We also weren't considering a single child, just siblings and always with one girl. He's 6 now and is wonderful. We were initially thinking of siblings age 4 and 2 so he didn't fit any of that.....but something about him clicked with us both and I couldn't have wished for a better match. I was able to take a year off during which time he started school (he had 6 months entirely at home) I returned to work part time once he'd been at home for 1 year and we both have worked full time since he started Reception. It has worked well for us. The attachment concerns we had haven't materialised yet, he had a wonderful FC and a good understanding of adoption. I would really advocate adoption of a slightly older child and those with potential risk factors - it can work out really well. He is loving, gentle, meeting all milestones and is a little star!

Karcheer · 28/01/2021 14:55

Thank you all.

@Yolande7 I think it was one video on youtube particularly that bothered me, but she had, had 2 failed placements and had lots of issues.
I'm not scared of issues - I think i'd just watched a few extremely bad videos back to back when I wrote the question.

I've had some time to digest and I think we are still sure we want an older child in a sibling group.

I think @2mums1son you are right - there will be a little person(s) story that will feel just right for us...

Fingers crossed they accept us...

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Ted27 · 28/01/2021 15:15

@Karcheer

what were these videos though. If you arent with an agency yet, you won’t have access to children’s profiles.
Just a bit concerned about what you are watching

Karcheer · 28/01/2021 15:24

@Ted27 Just old TV programmes that have been uploaded to youtube etc.
Nothing that isn't in the public domain.

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Ted27 · 28/01/2021 15:52

@Karcheer

if its TV programmes then just be aware that you are being presented with extremes
children and families who are jogging along quite happily don’t make for interesting TV!

Karcheer · 28/01/2021 15:54

[quote Ted27]@Karcheer

if its TV programmes then just be aware that you are being presented with extremes
children and families who are jogging along quite happily don’t make for interesting TV![/quote]
Yes this is what I concluded. I think I just watched too many extremely bad situations back to back.

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sabzino · 28/01/2021 16:31

As a social worker who used to work in adoption I would encourage you to read read read the CPR and ask as many questions as you like.

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