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52 replies

SirSpamalot · 08/07/2015 22:06

I'm knackered so forgive the bullet points. Just need to offload.

School report day here

So sick of parents commenting in person, via Facebook, wherever how clever their kids are, how they're reading light years ahead of their age.

How they're excelling at extra curricular activities.

DC are can't concentrate, are regularly in trouble at school and well behind their targets. The language on their reports is flowery but unmistakeable.

I wish they excelled at just one thing. But they don't. They don't even have the ability to sit still during carpet time.

I fear for their future.

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WereJamming · 09/07/2015 22:06

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TongueBiter · 09/07/2015 22:17

That's the one!

LooksLikeImStuckHere · 09/07/2015 22:19

Sorry that report time of year has been so hard for you, I bet the parents have cherry picked what they put on FB!

Hope this hasn't been suggested, didn't see it, but has play therapy been investigated? It worked wonders for a couple of children I've taught.

As for the low level behaviour, I believe (though am by no means any kind of expert, just a teacher who did lots of research when I needed to) that much of it can be to prove a point.

If an adult has said something derogatory, has shouted at them, told them they were useless, abandoned, ignored, whatever the behaviour is, then the child will misbehave so as to confirm the impressions they have been given of themselves by others. Almost a 'see, I told you I was naughty/troublesome'.

Obviously I don't know about your childrens' history but it took years of reassurance and teaching the children I have encountered, that the self perception they have was incorrect.

The school must get proper training. Little things like sending a child back to previous year groups can be so damaging (I'd be tempted to tell them they must not do that) unless the child is on board. One of mine hadn't been with me for two years but, as his first teacher in the school, when he was finding work hard there was an agreement that he could come and see me. It wasn't a punishment, it was a connection with his history and that school was a safe place.

Sorry if I've garbled, have probably been of no help at all Blush

Muddymits · 09/07/2015 22:23

The point of PP is that it funds the year, the full school year so it's not your worry when it kicks in the school shoykd provide targeted support to your child. Sounds like they may need education from one of the post afoption agencies on appropriate strategies... This inset is more likely to be provided if you get in now before next year's provision Is sorted.

Muddymits · 09/07/2015 22:23

Excuse the typos...

Maryz · 10/07/2015 02:20

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TongueBiter · 10/07/2015 07:52

Maryz - thank you. I needed to hear that. I feel dgs(6) is 'that' child; and has been with a teacher who seems to take delight in looking down her nose at me as she gives me yet another 'warning' letter and tells me "this isn't good". I KNOW it's not good!! Perhaps if she had been aware of dgs's background from the start, knew that I wasn't 'mum' etc, we might have all had a different dynamic to the relationship.

Considering not sending him in today. I feel embarrassed in front of the other parents, especially the ones who heard her talking to me about yesterday's incident. Mind you, it makes a change from other people's kids coming out of class and telling me DGS has got a red card Hmm

WereJamming · 10/07/2015 11:15

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TongueBiter · 10/07/2015 12:09

WereJamming I have asked for a meeting with the new SENCO and his Yr 2 teacher. This was before classes had been allocated, so I got a very waffly response to that part of my two page letter ...

I know his new class teacher from when my two daughters were at the school, and whilst I am confident she has the skills and experience to deal with him, these last six days in school are going to be looooooooong.

Maryz I must admit I tend to carry on the punishment. Maybe for the wrong reasons, maybe to deal with my own displeasure/embarrassment, I don't know. But he doesn't seem fazed by any punishment really. I need him to understand that it IS a big deal, that other kids may stop wanting to play with him/invite him to parties etc if he has this reputation for hurting others (even though only one red card was for a deliberate, but still non-malicious act). I was relying on other parents' help this weekend for ferrying to and from parties (I have a wedding to attend) but am concerned about leaving him unsupervised as such. It's not fair to expect other parents to be watching him like a hawk and anticipating what might happen.

There's an "act without thinking" side to him which needs to mature - am I expecting too much of him?

Because I have an SGO for him, there's very little in the way of help or support beyond what is available for birth children, but his background makes things slightly more complicated. Mum is diagnosed with ADD and Borderline Personality Disorder - not really sure if either of those have a genetic link although as HER mum, maybe I'd better be careful about looking into that

Anyway, I came on to post this link to a PP article nctl.blog.gov.uk/2015/01/21/pupil-premium-reviews-using-system-leaders/

Flowers for all of you offering support - I've often lurked on this board but rarely posted. Thank you.

TongueBiter · 10/07/2015 12:19

Another link

www.gov.uk/search?q=pupil+premium

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hackneyLass · 11/07/2015 11:32

Hi SirSpamalot You're not alone. Another same-but-different. DNs aged 5 & 6, with me a year on an SGO. So school & us are getting to know the kids at the same time.

Pah to competitiveness parenting! Some of these purrfect kids are a pita at home (and in my home on playdates), give my two a run for their money on demanding behaviour, hissy fits & optional use of cutlery. And so what if my DCs don't play flute or captain the football team...

School by sheer fluke is very good. It is small but has (relatively) a lot of ACs & kinship cared/SGO kids. We have just encouraged another 3 parents with ACs to switch to the school cos their last ones didn't cut it. Maybe we can set up our own kitemark for good schools???

What makes a difference is firstly good HT who listens, encourages her staff to skill up etc. I just heard on their next Inset day they are doing training on attachment issues! Will find out what & who is going & will report back.

Secondly building informal relationships with staff. When I take DCs to breakfast club I have a quick word with CT without other parents around - one is quite receptive to these micro reviews & adjustments. And talking to TAs whenever I can - they do a brilliant job & really know what's going on as they also do playground duty etc so can spot surfacing patterns, triggers etc and are the best at telling me about positive improvements & small victories. And they take pride in learning new skills.

School also does a lot of teaching in small groups so helps my 2.

[Tho I still have to fight my Blush at their walloping, putting hands down others' pants, soiling , playground tantrums etc. Its a work in progress...]

TongueBiter · 11/07/2015 12:13

Hi HackneyLass. DGS's report wasn't too damning in the end - just veiled inferences to learning how to behave in the playground/consideration of others' feelings etc.

He's been with me for six years, so I should have a handle on this by now, lol.

I feel that at parties/discos etc though I'm the one making sure he's behaving/ not running round in busy public reception areas whereas other parents are doing an ineffective "Charlie, don't do that" umpteen times then shrugging shoulders and saying "you can't tell them, can you!". Errrr yes, you can!!

Kewcumber · 11/07/2015 22:54

am I expecting too much of him Yes - he's 6!

DS has been diagnosed with executive processing disorder and if this inability to control his behaviour/emotions continues I would suggest you ask someone who knows what they're doing to assess him for Executive processing problems. It's very often misdiagnosed as ASD/ADHD and to be fair most ADD behaviours have an element of executive processing problems in them.

Like Maryz I don't punish for anything already punished in school unless the school ask me to get involved. I do it for all the good reason Maryz has mentioned (like wanting him to tell me whats happened during his day) but also because it never seemed fair to be - getting punished twice just because I feel the need to be in control (I do - its very tempting), to feel "obeyed", but more importantly it doesn't have any effect and just poisons my relationship with DS.

What the school has now accepted and to be honest I've always known - DS genuinely can;t help his outbursts - his brain doesn;t have the capabilities to prevent them. It will develop and improve but how it will improve is by consistent treatment and modelling how to handle conflict/irritations etc not by punishing with has no effect at all - peculiarly rewards have no effect on his behaviour either. The only thing which does work is approval.

TongueBiter · 12/07/2015 08:36

Unfortunately the school aren't asking themselves if they're expecting too much of him. I'm giving it til half term to see how things go in y2 and reevaluating ...

I'll look into the info you suggested - really helpful, thank you.

oddfodd · 12/07/2015 12:44

I came across this thread in Active Convos this morning. I don't have an adopted child but I do have one with SEN and saw this article the other day which I thought was really interesting re challenging behaviour in school: www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/05/schools-behavior-discipline-collaborative-proactive-solutions-ross-greene

I'm finding the photos (seriously - why do people do that?) of children's school reports on my facebook news feed are making me feel a bit stabby.

Italiangreyhound · 13/07/2015 00:45

SirSpamalot,I am so sorry this is so tough at the moment.

I agree with Mopmay - really truly Please don't beat yourself up.

You said But 1 DC decided to stab another in the arm 'to see if it hurt' today, what was used, a pencil? Or something 'worse'? You do not need to answer that but if it was anything more serious than a pencil I do hope you will get some help to work on resolve whatever issues might be involved. Our son (now 4, adopted a year ago at 3) went through a phase of doing stuff like hitting my arm and asking me if it hurt. I was honest if it did or did not, told him not to do it and talked to post adoption support. I do wonder if working out whether things hurt or not is part of making sense of their own lives. But that is just a total guess!!

Re I'm not sure that there is anything I feel proud of. And that makes me feel utterly, utterly awful. Please, please do not feel bad. Recently, I was having a really tough time with our son, I was getting so fed up with the constant crying and complaints etc. I was picking him up from school and turning up late for him and feeling very resentful of his behaviour. One day the teacher said something about being late and I just started crying. Luckily my son did not see and me and the teacher got to sit down together and I explained things were rough. The fact that I could talk about it freely and she was so encouraging and reminded me I was doing a good job (which I think I am) really helped.

Re I know what you mean but I'm at a loss as to what to suggest to the school in terms of behaviour management. I think you need some professional help from post adoption support, this should not all be on you.

SirSpamalot, re Facebook, I also just wanted to say that I got my kids reports on Friday and did not read them for hours. My newly adopted son (one year in) seems to be coping well at school and my birth dd, very dyslexic is quite hard work at home and has never coped well at school.

I feel that when other people shout about their kids qualities or skills on line I just ignore, I try not to read them. You never really know what is going on in families. I know people who have birth kids but their are health issues with a child or have been with a parent or where a marriage has broken down leaving the single parent coping alone etc etc. For some of these families a 'good' school report will really be a reason to shout and celebrate. They are not doing it to make others feel bad.

Over many years I agonised over family photos with masses of kids from friends and on Facebook, because I could not post such photos as only had one child, and now I have two I can't post photos as one child is adopted!

But over the years I have learnt to let others chirp about what they like on line and not let it bother me; they don't have the same joys of sorrows I have with my kids but also I do not always know what has happened in their families either.

SirSpamalot can I tell you a bit about my situation and see if anything is of use to you?

With my dyslexic dd (who is 10 and is at least two years behind in school) we have done a few things that have helped me/her/us:

-Been in touch with a dyslexia charity for support and input (if there is ever a specific reason for your kids behaviour or difficulties with studies do seek any professional help you can, it makes a massive difference).

-I've kept in close touch with school, who have basically been pretty crap on the whole but where individual teachers have worked amazing hard for my dd. Some have been encouraging for me and generally spotted good things in my DD and told me, and have therefore shown me they do get it! - They were sometimes in the minority. Sad

With my relatively newly adopted son we have done a few things that have helped me/him/us:

-Been in touch with post adoption support, who have been brilliant. They do attachment work and really, really helped in the early days when things with our son and our birth dd were pretty tough.

-I've managed to maintain a good relationship with our son's class teacher who is a lovely woman and seems to know a lot about children... BUT I always maintain with both kids that I do understand my children more than the teachers do, and ultimately I made decisions like keeping my son back so he started part-time in term 2 and full-time in term 3 of reception.

Anyway, those are my thoughts for you, I have no idea if they will help but hope they will. Grin

PS TongueBiter, Re throwing tomatoes at break AND lunchtime, you'd think the school would keep the tomatoes under lock and key! It seems funny they mention the tomatoes when the stones would be more worrying.

Italiangreyhound · 13/07/2015 00:59

Tonguebiter I have found punishments/consequences do not always work and it is hard to know how to improve the behaviour, but I can totally see why you would want to punish him for something like the stone throwing which really could be very serious.

I totally get why you don't want him to behave that way and you don't want him to be ostracised from school friends because of anti social behaviour.

My dd is very challenging. I know it can be tear your hair out time sometimes.

I found this course very, very helpful to me. And I have now done 8 parenting courses and this one stands out as the best...

The family links nurturing programme familylinks.org.uk/about-us/at-a-glance/the-nurturing-programme

It comes with a book called The Parenting Puzzle www.amazon.co.uk/The-Parenting-Puzzle-Transforming-Family/dp/0954470907

The book was free with the course, but can also be bought.

I did the course for free at my local family center. I was refereed by the schools link worker at my dd's primary school about three years ago.

If you have an SGO can you not access the same sort of support as adoptive parents. In our area I think (I could be wrong!) adoptive parents, SGOs and foster carers all get help, maybe some differences but our country have been really good. We have not had to push, push, push. but the school have not been so great and I have had to push with them.

Good luck.

TongueBiter · 13/07/2015 12:11

Italian thank you for those links - I've just followed the link and bought it - and bizarrely it's been paid for on a gift card .... not sure where that came from but I'm not going to quibble Smile.

The childrens centre manager is looking into a course for me but it's not til September. I've previously done a Triple P course and a degree in Early Childhood Studies which taught me NOTHING about this

Off for counselling session no.2 today - trying to attack this from all sides!

Kewcumber · 13/07/2015 12:49

Good luck. Let us know how you get on.

DS (now 9) is doing his first residential trip in Sept to say I'm apprehensive is an understatement. Had a good transition meeting with his new teacher and our SENCO though so I'm hopeful. It's amazing how a psychologists report concentrates the schools mind and gives them permission to treat him a bit differently.

Maryz · 13/07/2015 13:04

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Kewcumber · 13/07/2015 13:24

Liked the link too. Has anyone read The Explosive Child?

Italiangreyhound · 13/07/2015 13:46

Well done Tonguebiter I am not surprised the course will be September, mist things don't run in the summer. Keep a diary of behaviour, good and bad, what works and doesn't and also of food if you think any food allergies could play into behaviours.

It will keep you busy until September and also may be useful when you met the course leaders.

oddfodd · 13/07/2015 13:59

Urgh maryz - your poor DS. And you!

Not read it kew - is it good? I have 1-2-3 Magic which is quite useful