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Overturning an Adoption? (and some other legal things)

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Lilka · 17/07/2013 14:25

When I have a bit of time, I sometimes scan judgements from the court of appeal and pick out any interesting care/adoption related ones to read. I've learned a lot about how the courts make their decisions, adoption law and also heard about some very interesting adoption/fostering cases this way.

Anyway, this morning I had a look and there are 3 interesting (to me anyway) judgments there now, 1 of which concerns overturning an adoption order. I felt a bit conflicted after reading that judgement and wondered what other adoptive parents (or adoptees or social workers or anyone reall) feel about how permanent adoption orders are and when or if you think it's ever okay to overturn one?

The bones of the case in question were that the relationship between an adoped girl and her adoptive parents had totally broken down, the girl was clearly very troubled and now in care for good, the adoptive mother didn't want any more contact or anything. So after talking with a few professionals the local authority thought that it would be in the childs best interests if the adoption order was overturned. The adoptive mother agreed, so did the Guardian etc. Because there's no legal provision to overturn an adoption in these circumstances, they had to go to the High Court and ask them whether the court would allow hearings for an adoption to be overturned in these circumstances or not.

The judges turned them down, and they had quite a few reasons why they didn't think it would be a good idea to change the reasons why an adoption order could be overturned and that it wasn't a good idea in that case to take things any further.

As I said, I feel very conflicted by the idea that an adoption could be overturned at all, apart from the very specific circumstances it's already allowed to be overturned in (which is if the correct legal procedure wasn't followed or if a mother everyone thought was relinquishing, was actually being coerced/forced to sign away her rights). The only case I'm aware of in recent years was one a couple of years ago, where the court (because of the LA's mistake) didn't give notice to a birth mother of the final hearing (wrong address). So the birth mother was denied her final opportunity to appeal as she had the right to do. She appealed the adoption order and the whole adoption order was overturned (months after the celebration hearing etc) and it all had to go back to court again while the courts decided if she could appeal the placement order as well (she couldn't and the adoption was refinalised but correctly the second time).

Anyway, I can't judge anything about this case because there was very little background in the judgement, but in general...I feel that the adoption orders for my kids are as final as giving birth ie. no way back, no reversing to what it was before. I'm the legal parent for good. That doesn't mean I wouldn't ever disrupt, because I know full well that some adoptees need to go back into care for safety's sake or other serious reasons. I've seen enough disruptions and been close enough myself with my DD1 many years ago, to know that sometimes children can't live at home. But I'm talking about the actual legal parenthood bit here. Even if my children had to go into care, my view is that they're mine legally, and I will always be their legal mum whether it's safe for them to live with/have contact with me or not.

But what if adoptiove parents WANT to overturn if, what if it seems to be in a childs best interests to overturn it? I don't know. My gut still says, you can't overturn giving birth because the relationship has permanently broken down, no matter how much everyone might wish it that way. But I appreciate that some poeple might feel differently?

Under what circumstances should an adoption order be able to be overturned in? Confused

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Kewcumber · 30/01/2016 10:22

Adoption is not a service for people who can't have children these days so you don't need to feel sorry for those of us who can't have birth children.

I can see how angry you are and that feeling your name was stolen is very important to you and I'm not sure how you resolve that.

Names are extremely important to many people but not to others. DS would be extremely unhappy to go through his childhood with a different surname to me - its one of the things that he feels "marks" us as family and makes him like all the other children in his class, he wouldn't deal well with being different to all the other children and he's already different enough in his eyes.

Of course if he ever wanted to resume his birth surname I would support him but the only way for that to happen is for a name change which it seems in your case isn't enough.

thefamilyvonstrop · 30/01/2016 20:44

Karma, I'm sorry to hear how you were treated. I know it's no consolation to you, but adoption nowadays is far more sympathetic to the adopters identity and I hope adopters on the whole are far more sensitive to the overwhelming losses our children have suffered.
I can understand your frustration at having to use a name that was thrust on you and that you don't feel any links too.
On a slight aside, my heart jumped when I opened the thread and saw Lilka's name pop up before I realised its an old thread. I do hope she is ok.

Devora · 30/01/2016 21:37

Mine did too, familyvonstrop. I really miss her.

Kr1stina · 30/01/2016 21:44

Me too

Momtofour16 · 09/03/2016 21:57

Anyone to have an adoption go so horribly wrong ? We adopted a child without know all the horrible background information. Had I known the things that happened I would never have considered this adoption as we had already adopted our three grandchildren ! We would have never put them in the position we all are in now which is this is a soon to be sixteen year old who is terrorizing our household . She has been put in a behavioral facilities twice by us and no clue before we got her where she had been placed ! She has tried on several occasions to hurt our now 10 yr old daughter ( once tried to drop her over our twelve foot bannister as well as trying to drown her ) ! I have tried all I know to do to help her but am now at the point where we are in fear for our lives ! We are constantly watching over our shoulders and watching out for the younger kids if she gets mad over something she will call 911 and report I am being mean to her ! I don't feel like we are able to give her the things she needs as she refuses to continue on with therapy after placement saying she isn't starting her story all over again ! I just want my kids to be able to have as normal a life as possible considering they also came from horrible abusive backgrounds it doesn't seem fair that we have brought this into their lives 😭😭 We go to see the judge next week for an incouragable petition as she has started her behaviors back up of defiance and being unsafe around the other kids ! She also is a cutter but mostly attention seeking as it's usually always superficial ! Even so we know this is a cry for help and here we are with no support system on our side ! Anyone have a similar story ? What was the outcome ?

Momtofour16 · 09/03/2016 22:28
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TeenAndTween · 10/03/2016 12:17

You may do better to start your own thread, but have sent you a PM.

However, I have just noticed that you mention 911 so I guess you are not in the UK so legal stuff won't be the same as here.

Mylife123456 · 24/08/2024 16:31

The only reason the high turned it down,is because they know their be millions of cases bought.
All adoption should be over turned if needed or the adoptee wants it.
I'm a adoptee and birth mum due to social services getting it all wrong, I even have government letter of apologies. The letter states she shouldn't have been adopted,and social services and the courts let me and the family down.but they can't undo the adoption. Parents who lose kids to adoption though the courts ,normal just give up as they are ran into the ground.However so carry on fighting, but by time you get the case relooked it normal to late.
As adoptee, I was so glad I didn't have to put the adopters on my marriage certificate, when I got married. Adoptee want to be able to undo adoption for so many reasons including badly treatment, getting rid of fake identity, to correct the wrong done to our birth family, the trauma caused by adoption list is so long.

simonlebone · 27/08/2024 20:58

Now try if you might, to see it from many now adult adoptees perspective. Many would welcome the legal possibility to annul their adoption orders and return to their natural identity.

Adoptees are entered into a contract they could not consent to and are forever bound by it. Made leagal strangers to all kin, permanently. At least adoptive parents made the choice. If you believe that it's something adoptive parents should be allowed to do then you must understand many adoptees take on this and support their position.

simonlebone · 27/08/2024 21:13

We adoptees hear the argument over and over again that biological children cannot 'divorce' their biological parents. You're being disengenous. It's not eggs for eggs at all. And as for the argument that you can change your name by deed poll, again that's not sufficient. Many adoptees want to return to their natural identity and in adulthood should be able to do this, without the need of permissions from either their adopted or bio parents.

Many adoptees are seeking the same human rights as non adoptees. Think about that. Why is it wrong?

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