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Here are some suggested organisations that offer expert advice on adoption.

Beginner - any advice?

29 replies

hopefullysoon · 06/12/2010 11:31

Hi,

I have namechanged.

Do we sound like good candidates for adoption?

Me 42, him 38
No children of our own
I've had two miscarriages this year (I know I will need time to get over them before considering adoption)
I work full time, but could go part time and would, high tax bracket earner
He runs a business from home (printing) and would be the SAHD, working around times that I could be at home
We have been together 18 months, lived together for eight.

I am still technically married (ex is dragging the divorce out)

Live in a rented house, but I will own my own home (which I'll rent out until the market picks up)

Active, enjoy outdoors, fun loving, both of us have lovely families, no troubles.

Both clean criminal records, both have lots of experience with babies and children (lots of neices/nephews and we've both taken an active part in their lives)

I have a (now grown up) step-daughter from my marriage, was in her life since she was a toddler, she thinks I'd make an excellent mum (so does her mum) and has said they'd both give me a reference.

I have suffered with depression in the past, but am fine, and have had lots of counselling (am almost certain my counselling psychologist counsellor would give me a character reference) and am now off anti-depressents - it's never held me back career wise or any other wise.

I am still hoping that we will have our own, but can't see me dealing with any more than three miscarriages, so am starting to think about other options.

OP posts:
hopefullysoon · 06/12/2010 11:32

I meant I will own my own house when the divorce is through - I'll be getting a bigger mortgage to pay off my ex. (I already own the house 100% but am conceding a payout)

OP posts:
Lilka · 06/12/2010 17:44

Hi Xmas Smile

I'm single so not really sure about any relationhip stuff, but i think they might want you to have been living together longer than 8 months, and you definitely need to be about a year post last miscarriage (i'm sorry Sad ) and have had counselling so you can show that you have accepted you can't have biological children

You don't need to worry about the house, renting is fine as long as the lease isn't about to expire you'll be fine. Your ages aren't a problem either

But i have to say, you need to be in a place when you go through the process where you've accepted you won't have biological children. If you are still really hoping above all else to have a child by birth then i would advise not to adopt just yet, since adopting is very different to having a child.

So, yeah, I'd advise waiting a while to have more time together and counselling, and maybe have the divorce go through. But whilst adoption is very challenging and very different in many ways to having a biologial child, ime it's so worth it Xmas Smile

hairyfairylights · 06/12/2010 17:55

"you have accepted you can't have biological children"

Gosh, is that right? To adopt you have to prove you cant have biological children???!!!

I have to be a year past the last miscarriage even to begin the process?

Flipping heck, I knew it was hard but that is really harsh!

hairyfairylights · 06/12/2010 17:55

oh damn, I've blown my cover :(

Lilka · 06/12/2010 18:50

No, you don't have to prove you cannot -i am fertile for one! BUT - you will run into the sex police and most likely have to promise to use birth control diligently throughout the process and for a while after placement. You can be fertile but you can't persue two things at once. Yes, it seems harsh, but you have to demonstrate total commitment to adoption in order to do it. You have to be usually a year past your last fertility treatments to begin the process, so i assume a year past any miscarriages also applies. The reason for that is so you have 'time to grieve' and think about what you want to do i think (i think because i am going on what my other friends who are couples are telling me).

hairyfairylights · 06/12/2010 18:58

Thanks Lilka, I thought that was a bit rich.

Sex police I can deal with ;)

I am in counselling at present due to the second miscarriage, and I'm guessing 'they' would take a referral from my (very qualified and competent and well respected) counsellor in terms of me being ready to adopt ie: over the miscarriages (well, as over it as you get).

The year past miscarriage I don't get - who puts a timeline on how long it takes to grieve? I understand there has to be some kind of limit - but a year seems a lot to someone who is already in their early forties and has decided she would like to adopt in order to 1. be a parent and 2. give a stable, loving home to a child that needs one.

I also get the needing to be together for a while thing - that makes a lot of sense.

I'm hoping my divorce and settlement will all be done within three months or so, now, it's my ex who is stalling.

hairyfairylights · 06/12/2010 18:59

of course if we decided we were going to adopt, we would quit trying for a baby.

Lilka · 06/12/2010 19:03

i had to promise not to get pregnant when adopting the second time by the way! Not much chance of that, me being single and gay. but i am trying to become pregnant now for the first time. And yes, i do worry about the effects on the kids. I know several families who were on the brink of disruption after having a child after adopting, because their adoptive children became incredibly challenging. Very important to remember that children available for adoption have emotional needs far greater in general than a 'normal' child. So when the new babies arrived, the two i knew/know became aggressive towadrs the baby, very jealous and insecure, very challenging behavior etc. Doesn't always happen, mind, and some are just fine and happy but it does sometimes, and the social workers minds tend to jump automatically to worse case scenario!

So if you do want to adopt, then yes you need to be prepared to diligently use birth control, and to commit totally to adoption. And most adoptive children need a big gap between them arrving and the arrival of any subsequent children. And some people will have their child arrive and then after a time realise that their child is so affected by their past that they need to be the only child and have all the time and attention focused on them.

Still worth it ime. Where would i be without my kids? Xmas Smile

Lilka · 06/12/2010 19:04

sorry, updated that second posting after you already replied! Ignore it Smile

hairyfairylights · 06/12/2010 19:18

Thanks Lilka. If we adopt it will be with the mindset that we are very very unlikely to ever have our 'own' child, as I am forty three next year, and obviously it's highly unlikely.

for that reason we'd consider a sibling group. Also for the reason that its better for siblings to stay together.

Lilka · 06/12/2010 19:45

know several people who've adopted siblings. Lots of work! i was exhausted with just one hehe Xmas Grin Of teh siblings the bond between one of the sets is amzing. They are so close, the one constant in each others lives. DS and DD2 are siblings biologically, and they are very close, but it's slightly different because there is a big age gap of almost 9 years between them and they never lived together before me anyway, i adopted DD2 and got a call a couple of years later about DS. Unfortunately the other set i know went through hell together and they just traumatise each other. They try to hurt each other and have no real bond Sad When going to information evenings held by LA's it's worth asking whether they assess the sibling groups to see whether they need each other or whtether sadly they function better apart. Some LA's have blindly placed siblings together without thinking and it has been disastrous.
And i'm sorry i'm not trying to be doom and gloom!! If it's coming out like that, i don't mean it to Xmas Smile

KristinaM · 06/12/2010 20:16

Hi Hairy

i would strongly advise you to get advice about assisted conception. you need to know what your options are at this stage and you don't have a lot of time.

I dont mean to sound harsh but adoption is much much more stressful than a miscarriage and much riskier. To be frank, if you cant deal with more than three miscarriages you wont be able to deal with the assessment, let alone adopting a troubled and traumatised sibling group.

I'm sure i sound like a hard cow for saying this, but Id rather you knew now than find out too late. i woudl hate you to " give up" on the chance of a biological child and then find that you cannot find an agency to assess you for adoption.

Every agency has its own criteria, but i suspect that you will need to have been living together for at least two years. Some agencies will not consider anyone with a history of mental health problems.

Your ex partners will require to be interviewed.

as others have said, there will be a waiting period after you last fertility treatment etc

renting a house is not a problem, as long as you have spare bedrooms for the children you want to adopt. some sibling cannot share a bedroom

your parenting experience will stand you in good stead

I am not defending all these " rules" BTW, just letting you know what is common ( though not universal) practice

Lilka · 06/12/2010 20:18

Forget about the ex! Yep, definitely they will interview the ex!

snail1973 · 06/12/2010 21:12

Your best bet at this stage may be to ring your local agencies and find out if they have particular "rules" on

  • time since last miscarriage
  • length of time living together
  • mental health

The rules vary from place to place. For instance, we have recently been approved for child no 2 when DD 1 is 4 yrs old. Several other local agencies would not even talk to us about a second child until DD1 was 5 yrs old (meaning she'd be at least 6 y rs before we were placed with a 2nd child).

We have had a long, but not so gruesome experience of being approved to adopt, but it is definately not easy. I would second the advice to give assisted conception your best shot. If you decide to call time on that, then think about adoption.

hairyfairylights · 06/12/2010 22:20

"Your ex partners will require to be interviewed. " WTF!!! You must be shitting me here. Surely that's not the case, if we are divorced. We haven't spoken since I left, he is house bound with bipolar. There is no way they would get hold of him, no way I want him in my life any more, and no way he would oblige.

Please someone tell me this is not true!

I would add that I do not have a history of mental illness. I have suffered mild depression, which has not stopped be being a great step-mum, nor has it stopped me becoming a very successful professional. I have come off my tablets (during last pregnancy) and so far I am fine - and hope to remain so.

My mental health is actually very good.

I can't do assisted conception until I know why I have miscarried twice. I have no problem conceiving. IVF would have the advantage of choosing the best embryos, but if my body can't hang on to them then what's the poing paying the money?

some of what's been said here is incredibly negative and that worries me, not so much for myself, but generally. There are children needing loving, nurturing homes, and there are people who want to give that to them. I totally understand that it's a very long and difficult process, and it has to be, but wow, it seems rather worse than I suspected.

And of course I will cope with another miscarriage - it's just that the second is currently very raw for me.

hairyfairylights · 06/12/2010 22:22

Thanks all of you - especially snail - that's a good idea.

hairyfairylights · 06/12/2010 22:24

"To be frank, if you cant deal with more than three miscarriages you wont be able to deal with the assessment"

Can I just ask. . . what exactly do you mean?

That assessment for adoption is more traumatic than two miscarriages in a six month time frame? Really? what is so stressful about the assessment process (I've read the F form online).

I'm genuinely interested to find out.

hairyfairylights · 06/12/2010 22:30

I'm genuinely shocked that it would be a compulsory element that they interview my ex. that would seriously be me cuppered :(

hairyfairylights · 06/12/2010 22:30

scuppered I mean.

hairyfairylights · 06/12/2010 22:41

I realise I might sound somewhat naive. I know it is not an easy process - and I work in the 'social services' type of area - in a third sector organisation - so am fully aware of some of the issues around families and difficulties, and rules and regulations - but some of what people have written is quite shocking to me.

hairyfairylights · 06/12/2010 22:50

Sorry for bombarding you all! and really, thank you all everso much for the info.

I have just read up and as my step-daughter is obviously not my 'own' biological child (although I think of her as my own) - and she lived with her mum full time, for the whole time I was with my ex(we would have her to stay and visit a lot, but we did not have primary caring responsibilities) it seems they may not insist on interviewing him.

she is now adult and would definately want to give an interview/reference, as would her mum.

It also seems that due to exceptional circumstances (he's housebound and has a mental illness which prevents him engaging in general life) they may not wish to interview him.

Phew. ish. .... I have lots to learn!!

Lilka · 06/12/2010 23:06

They definitely will need to get hold of your ex-partner. It doesn't need to scupper you, they will take into account if he has mental health difficulties, and tehy have certainly met there fair share of abusive and malicious ex partners if that is the case with you. Plenty of poeple with malcious ex's still get approved to adopt!

The assessment may or may not be traumatic depending on the person. You will have to go over your pregnancy attmenpts and miscarriages and your feelings in depth howeve. You will also have to go through your past relationships in detail, and of course your current one!

There is a reason it is bad, though, honest. The children who, as you rightly say, need loving nurturing homes, are often very traumatised, abused children. They are experts in survival at all costs, survival of the fittest, and they can and will test your relationship to its limits. You need to be rock solid together, as a young child can still expertly find any cracks in your relationship, and drive a wedge in there, and try to split you to their own advantage. it sounds kind of crazy at first, but it is how they automatically operate - they know for a fact that they can survive in chaos, so they try to recreate that chaos wherever they go, and they find a loving nurturing home a threat to them. So that is why they will go over all of your relationships past and present in such detail - what coping mechanisms do you have, where are the cracks if any, what caused other break ups in the past?? That's also why you need to have been together for a time - you will need to be this solid team together.

So for me it isn't the process personally, but afterwards! If what i read is correct, then a third of adopted kids have some problems, a third have moderate problems, a third have severe problems.

Some can mean lots of things but generally managable behavior - maybe they get very over anxious and clingy, or never go to sleep, or can be aggressive sometimes or have ADHD or sensory issues, lots of delays, or big trouble making friends etc... probably a combination of lots of these

Moderate - you are talking my DD's in this category from my perspective. Both of them are emotioanlly imature for their age. DD1, she has attachment issues, can be controlling still, still vulnerable at 24.. but when she came she was constantly attempting to touch me or worse in a very innapropraite way, she coud have 3 hour screaming tantrums, she could not manage mainstream school at all, she tried to control a lot of things and attempted to be the boss most of the time.. this was all day every day for several years. She could not sleep at night much, needed the security of door alarm on her bedroom door, needed my total 24/7 supervision around all other adults and children becasue otherwise she wold try innapropriate things with them etc etc.

Severe - Now you are talking kids with severe RAD (if you wan to adopt, you need to know about this), multiple mental health problems, school exclusions, police involvements, violence frequently and most need to move away from family into treatment centres for wrap around therapy.. many of these placements disrupt altogether.

So yes, adoption is many things, a lot of them positive, just look at my amazing kids Xmas Smile. I don't know any adoptive families who do not love theri children from the bottom of their hearts whatever their problems but it is HARD and NOT for the faint hearted.

Lilka · 06/12/2010 23:11

Wow!! What an essay Xmas Smile Yep, everyone starts at the 'lots to learn' point, everyone, so don't worry about bombarding at all!! Happy to support anyone thinking of adoption, or alreay done it etc. I'm still passionate about the role it can play for children, especially older ones like my girls! And it's great to ask all the questions now, and research as much as possible, so many don't, which is stupid imo. Bombard away Xmas Smile

hairyfairylights · 06/12/2010 23:18

hmmmm. I really am a bit naive then.

Of course I knew that children needing adoption can have problems (it may help that I have worked for a special ecuational needs charity - a parent partnership organisation - so I do know a little about special needs/difficulties).

And I knew that the process, and being an adoptive parent, would be a very hard thing to do .

However I basically am screwed I think, from what you are saying.

I don't think I could cope with a child with complex difficulties. It's not what I want and that's an honest statement, even if it sounds cruel. I don't have that energy any more. I did my 'time' on that with my ex.

I have a whole lot of love and care and understanding and skill to give to a child with moderate emotional difficulties.

On the negative side, I coped with my ex partners' Bipolar and abuse by basically supressing all of my own needs in the relationship. I'm guessing 'they' would realise this early on and assume I am not a good candidate.

On the positive side, I kept my step-daughter safe, facilitated her relationship with her father, and I know I have been a very positive influence in her life. She is a wonderful young lady and I'm very proud of her (and still very much in her life)

I also basically left my ex for another man (who I am now with in a stable relationship) because my ex had exhausted all the chances I'd given him to put our relationship right. And this lovely man came along and I realised I was worth more.

I'm guessing having left my ex for another man might not make me ideal in the social workers' eyes.

Lilka · 06/12/2010 23:30

I honestly do not know what they think of certain relaionship issues, but i'm sure a more knowledgable person will be along tomorrow!

You do need a big support netowrk - you do several tasks on this in homestudy, and you need to be able to ask for help if you need it - asking for help is never weakness, it is strength. You need to have people you can talk to irl about things. You do need to ask yourself whether you are able to ask for help and find support or whether that is difficult for you.

I'm goin to pm you with more than i can put here

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