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CerealPosterHere · 08/03/2025 23:07

Wow.

also wow to Trumps comments that he will have any demonstrating students deported or expelled. Can he control who gets expelled? Obviously the danger is some universities do the expelling anyway for fear of losing money. Will be interesting to see if the students still protest or if they are scared off.

ShaunaSadeki · 12/03/2025 13:40

I am not an academic but work in an adjacent industry, and this is wild as Columbia were quite heavy handed with the protesters in the first place.

Patterncarmen · 04/04/2025 14:23

I’m not sure it is better in the UK. There seems to be moves in the UK to fine universities or sue them if they are seen as “woke.”

LittleBigHead · 04/04/2025 18:28

Patterncarmen · 04/04/2025 14:23

I’m not sure it is better in the UK. There seems to be moves in the UK to fine universities or sue them if they are seen as “woke.”

Um, no, if you're thinking about Sussex. Sussex allowed a professor to be violently harassed, intimidated, and bullied out of her job. They've been fined for not upholding a reasonable atmosphere of academic freedom.

Patterncarmen · 04/04/2025 21:20

LittleBigHead · 04/04/2025 18:28

Um, no, if you're thinking about Sussex. Sussex allowed a professor to be violently harassed, intimidated, and bullied out of her job. They've been fined for not upholding a reasonable atmosphere of academic freedom.

I am thinking about Sussex indeed. I’m sick and tired of trans people being used as a political football to promote a right wing agenda. Trans rights are human rights.

I’m not even going to bother to debate this, because predictably the TERFs will come out in force and mob.

LittleBigHead · 05/04/2025 15:02

I don't think feminists are "right-wing" and I'm always interested to know what rights transpeople don't have that the rest of us do have? They have their own category in the Equality Act, and - at my university anyway - dominate any discussion of any kind of EDI matters - to the extent of kicking up a fuss because transwomen were not asked to contribute to the menopause and maternity leave policies. FFS.

Professor Stock has never come across as particularly right wing in either her writing or in person (at least when I've met her).

I'm sick and tired of misogyny.

Patterncarmen · 08/04/2025 09:42

So there was an article about British TERFs in the NY Times that was illuminating when I was trying to see why trans people were being harrassed, their very existence seen as anti-woman in some way.

I mean the very idea that transphobic harassment could be “feminist” is bewildering. The most vocal trans-exclusionary voices are, ostensibly, “feminist” ones, and anti-trans lobbying is a mainstream activity. Edie Miller noted “Mumsnet is to British transphobia what 4Chan is to American fascism.”

In Britain, TERFs have effectively succeeded in framing the question of trans rights entirely around their own concerns: that is, how these rights for others could contribute to so called female erasure. I'm glad Sussex is standing up to this crap.

The NY Times noted that TERFism simply comes from a long tradition of British feminism interacting with colonialism and empire. Imperial Britain imposed policies to enforce heterosexuality and the gender binary, while simultaneously constructing the racial “other” as not only fundamentally different, but freighted with sexual menace; from there, it’s not a big leap to see sexual menace in any sort of “other,” and “biological realities” as essential and immutable. Interestingly, many Irish feminists have rejected Britain's TERFism citing their experience of colonialism explicitly as part of the reason. Good for the Irish.

You all are still dealing with the spectre of empire and colonialism. It is so engrained, you cannot see it in front of your face.

That's why I usually don't bother with TERFs. It is a waste of time.

Uipal · 12/04/2025 09:05

Patterncarmen · 08/04/2025 09:42

So there was an article about British TERFs in the NY Times that was illuminating when I was trying to see why trans people were being harrassed, their very existence seen as anti-woman in some way.

I mean the very idea that transphobic harassment could be “feminist” is bewildering. The most vocal trans-exclusionary voices are, ostensibly, “feminist” ones, and anti-trans lobbying is a mainstream activity. Edie Miller noted “Mumsnet is to British transphobia what 4Chan is to American fascism.”

In Britain, TERFs have effectively succeeded in framing the question of trans rights entirely around their own concerns: that is, how these rights for others could contribute to so called female erasure. I'm glad Sussex is standing up to this crap.

The NY Times noted that TERFism simply comes from a long tradition of British feminism interacting with colonialism and empire. Imperial Britain imposed policies to enforce heterosexuality and the gender binary, while simultaneously constructing the racial “other” as not only fundamentally different, but freighted with sexual menace; from there, it’s not a big leap to see sexual menace in any sort of “other,” and “biological realities” as essential and immutable. Interestingly, many Irish feminists have rejected Britain's TERFism citing their experience of colonialism explicitly as part of the reason. Good for the Irish.

You all are still dealing with the spectre of empire and colonialism. It is so engrained, you cannot see it in front of your face.

That's why I usually don't bother with TERFs. It is a waste of time.

lol

coldandfrostymorning23 · 12/04/2025 09:08

Can anyone link to what the alleged agitator actually said? Seems we are lacking a key bit of information.

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