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PhD woes......just want a rant to fellow academics who might understand

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TearsforBeers · 07/05/2024 15:01

Not sure what I'm expecting anyone to say but just feel like i need a safe space to rant......apologies, it's long.

I've been an academic for 7 years but worked at my uni for 18. I was headhunted from another department to teach on a specific course. I was immediately put on a part time PhD and the pressure to complete on time has been pretty intense.

In that 7 years I've progressed quite rapidly. I started out as a lecturer but i'm now a director of education in my faculty. I suspect that this has got some old school academic's backs up but it's never really bothered me as I'm good at my job and have track record which supports my progression. I've earned it.

My PhD experience hasn't been very positive. I've had 7 different supervisors and my last two ( who saw me through submission) have been pretty disinterested at times. However, I submitted on time and was pretty happy with what I'd done.
I had to wait 7 months for a viva which is an issue in itself but there wasn't anything I could do.
I had a mock viva two weeks before with my supervisors and it went really well. Both said they were really confident about the outcome and although we identified some weaknesses in the study we discussed strategies to address these in the actual viva.

Viva day arrived - it didn't start well. We had to move rooms 4 times and my supervisor didn't bother to turn up.
However, I thought i performed well. The external examiners were lovely and although they asked challenging questions there wasn't any suggestions that they didn't like what I'd done, how I'd done it or what I'd found.

My internal examiner was someone from my faculty and he was really, really harsh but i felt i handled myself well.

My verbal feedback was a bit of a disaster. They were complimentary and said I'd found something really interesting but that they wanted me to make a few changes - no new content just a bit of restructuring and strengthening. Nothing that would take too long. However, I didn't realise until I left that they hadn't formally informed me of my outcome ( minor or major amends) but i thought I'd see what my report said as it didn't seem too bad. I was pretty pleased with myself if I'm honest.

Later that day my internal examiner visited my office and proceeded to give me loads of additional feedback on my thesis - basically he didn't like it. Not one of the points he raised were discussed in the actually viva itself. I asked him what my outcome was and he said a full re-write!!!
I've not received my official report yet but I'm absolutely devastated. I genuinely feel blindsided as that outcome does not tally with my experience. However, as my supervisor didn't bother to turn up i have nobody to tell me whether i completely misjudged the situation. I think i've probably got grounds for complaint but it would mean complain abut my own department at at time when there is a lot of shit going on with redundancies. .

Not sure if its relevant but my internal examiner has been an academic for 20 years but this was his first time examining a PhD and he's only doing it because he wants to get promoted to professor and you need yo have a certain number of examinations competed to be able to do that. I'm more senior than him but 20 years younger. It makes for an odd dynamic.

Well done if you got to the end!

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UpUpUpU · 12/04/2025 08:46

Congratulations! That is incredible and all credit to you for sticking with it and getting it done. Very well deserved 🎉

Miffyhasbigears · 12/04/2025 08:58

Happy to read this!
I have no comprehension or experience of academia, but I've been following, slightly horrified by the shenanigans and hoping you would get a positive outcome. Hopefully you can relax a little now!

TearsforBeers · 12/04/2025 09:00

Thank you ❤️

The relief is palpable! I slept better last night than I have in years.

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Emelene · 12/04/2025 09:05

Huge congratulations @TearsforBeers! Sorry you had that experience with the viva. I hope you can rest easy and celebrate!

lemoncrisp · 12/04/2025 09:11

Congratulations! 💐 No experience of academia but read your thread with interest and delighted you've now got your PHD! Sounds like there was a lot of political shenanigans rather than anything wrong with your research. Congratulations again ! 👏 🎉 👏

Chrysanthemum5 · 12/04/2025 09:16

Congratulations!!! I'm so sorry that happened to you, but you showed incredible strength and dignity in the way you handled it

Oblomov25 · 12/04/2025 09:23

Well done Op.

Isn't it a shame that it was made into such a unnecessarily difficult journey.

Have you properly fed this back. I wouldn't be able to stop myself. I'd have to record it somewhere, or better still take the opportunity to tell the person verbally what they had done.

TearsforBeers · 12/04/2025 09:26

Thank you ❤️

Relief is slowly turning into euphoria.

Seven years of studying alongside a full time job as an academic, a young child and a house renovation. I'm shattered!

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TearsforBeers · 12/04/2025 09:31

Have you properly fed this back. I wouldn't be able to stop myself. I'd have to record it somewhere, or better still take the opportunity to tell the person verbally what they had done.

Oh I have, I've progressed into quite a senior position in the last couple of years so have the ears of my Dean and PVC. They know my feelings!
I've just taken on a new role within my faculty which means I'm now responsible for allocating workload to the person who was my internal examiner. Should be fun 😂

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PolterGoose · 12/04/2025 09:43

Well done 🎉🎉🎉

I can well imagine the relief.

HEstufinadviser · 12/04/2025 09:51

This is the first time I've seen your thread but congratulations to you! And well do e for being political, bringing the senior professor on board, out maneuvering the inexperienced internal.

TearsforBeers · 12/04/2025 10:04

Thank you!

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titchy · 12/04/2025 11:29

Fantastic news well done!

JimJonesLivesInMyHead · 12/04/2025 11:43

Congratulations Dr TearsforBeers!!!! Just how amazing are you???

If that had happened after my viva I truly would have thrown in the towel. You're incredible!!

Hope you celebrate your success in style!

TearsforBeers · 12/04/2025 20:46

Thank you all ❤️

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MaryPoppinsAtAll · 12/04/2025 20:59

Congratulations for finishing. That sounds like an incredibly toxic sitution if your viva went like that and you are now the boss of the internal examiner. It might be a good idea to step back and think about what is going on there, now that you are in a management role.

Glad you finished.

TearsforBeers · 13/04/2025 10:11

MaryPoppinsAtAll · 12/04/2025 20:59

Congratulations for finishing. That sounds like an incredibly toxic sitution if your viva went like that and you are now the boss of the internal examiner. It might be a good idea to step back and think about what is going on there, now that you are in a management role.

Glad you finished.

Thank you.
It's all good. Thankfully he's a bit of an outlier and most people in my department are lovely.
I'm not his line manager as we're on the same salary grade. He's a reader and I'm a head of division. I'm responsible for allocating staff to programmes and modules and he is expected to do some teaching even though he's not happy about it!

When he becomes a problem I just escalate it to the head of department and don't get involved!

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TherapyName · 13/04/2025 10:23

Congratulations on your PhD!

Academia always had a toxic streak with lots of big egos but I honestly think it is a thousand times worse now. It's so sad seeing hardworking people get so disillusioned with their careers. Poor management is a massive issue in so many sectors but academia is being hit so badly from every direction.

Very best wishes OP!

beetr00 · 13/04/2025 10:24

TearsforBeers · 12/04/2025 08:42

I thought I'd pop back to the thread to give an update ...

I found out yesterday that I've been awarded my PhD! The relief is immense.

I did the full re-write but pushed back on some of the points they'd made. For extra support I roped in the most senior professor in my department to supervise me through the re-write knowing that my internal would be unlikely to be an arse with him. A bit political of me but needs must! I'm still convinced it was major amends not a rewrite but no point dwelling on that!

Interestingly, as I've worked at the university a very long time in lots of different departments I know most of the staff. The manager of the team who supports PGR students told me that my experience has been one of the worst she's seen in all the time she's done the job. So at least I wasn't imagining it.

🎉🎉 That is absolutely superb @TearsforBeers be very proud.

Completing a PhD is hard graft, especially with everything else you've had to contend with.

🍾Time to celebrate lovely, no more tears. 🌸🌸

EBoo80 · 02/05/2025 17:27

Thankyou for coming back to update us, and huge congratulations for not buckling when put in such an unfair and shitty situation. I wish I could say I was shocked by the story, but I’m not. However you persevered! Well done!

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