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Looking for some advice please

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ThisIsntThe80sPat · 02/01/2024 22:40

Hi everyone,

Hoping to ask some advice please as I'm a bit lost.

I started university with the goal to become a lecturer. I did well in my undergraduate (1st), then undertook a master abroad. Long story short but some personal issues interrupted my studies and it took a few years for me to return to finish it. Previously, I had been maintaining a high 2:1 average. I ended up not doing too well in the dissertation when I returned due to personal circumstances, and it was the worst grade I had ever received (a German 2,7 which is the equivalent to a 2:2, or a C). I was quite disappointed in myself. Despite this, I still graduated with a 2:1 overall.

I understand it's very difficult to pursue a career these days in academia. Especially in the humanities. Plus with two children now, I'm not so sure I'd want to be moving around constantly. I don't think a PhD is for me anymore.

The problem is, I miss it very much. University life. I miss studying, researching, writing, teaching. I was hoping to ask this board for advice on getting into teaching in academia without a PhD? Is that possible? Then I could write and research on the side. I've thought about writing non-fiction myself but would need to know more on how to do this before embarking on it. I adore writing and also write historical fiction but obviously this isn't a sure-fire way to start a career that's also going to make money (even part-time).

I'd appreciate any insight/ tips / advice. I'm just looking for other options to continue doing what I love and don't really know where to start. I always thought I was going to do my PhD, look for post-docs, and find a job at a university but as I get older, I realise it's not as simple as my younger self thought 😁

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aridapricot · 02/01/2024 23:08

I think the prospects are not too good OP particularly if you are in the Humanities. Bear in mind the context in many Humanities is now that candidates with PhDs, several years post-doc experience and a list of publications are not even shortlisted.

Most of the academics I know who don't have PhDs fall into one of two categories:
-Retired or on the verge of retiring (so started their career presumably when competition was not so stiff)
-Had a career in an "applied" field (like publishing, curation, music performance, etc.), started teaching part time/precariously in a programme in which practical experience was an asset, then after a few or several years the stars aligned and they were appointed to a permanent job. Still, several people I know who started off like that eventually ended up getting a PhD (part time and over a number of years).

Depending on where you are based/what your discipline is, it might be possible for you to pick up some hourly paid/part-time teaching here and there. For example, I don't think you need a PhD to be an Associate Lecturer at the Open University. However, many of these such opportunities are dead ends - precarious, unstable and with little to zero chance of ever becoming permanent or at least more stable positions.

Newnameshoos · 03/01/2024 10:53

It's definitely a different landscape even to 10 years ago and having a doctorate and publications is seen as more important than it used to be, certainly in my practice-based field.
Could you look for a studentship where you'd get a bursary for the PhD study? If you have a contact in a university who is an experienced supervisor and could design a project with them to then apply for funding from ESRC or similar that may be a way back in.

theferry · 05/01/2024 21:40

It would help if you told us what discipline you are in? I’m a historian and it is basically impossible to get a permanent post without a PhD (even if it was teaching-focussed).

GreigeO · 06/01/2024 14:06

What experience do you have outside of your undergraduate and maters degrees?

WickDittington · 06/01/2024 21:02

No we wouldn’t shortlist an applicant even for a teaching-only lectureship without a PhD. And our hourly paid, standard teaching (core modules at 1st year for example) is reserved for our own PhD students to give them some professional development.

SomePig · 07/01/2024 12:11

I am in a humanities field that sounds like it might be close to or the same as yours, and I have sat on multiple hiring panels for lecturerships, both permanent fulltime posts (these are advertised only rarely so we have been fortunate in our department to even get approval to create permanent posts) and fixed-term full-time posts. Fixed-term posts are more common, and there are hundreds of applicants, but they are hellish things in which the poor postholder must do a shitload of teaching while simultaneously publishing frantically and building as much capital as they can in order to get a permanent job at the end of the fixed term one.

Even for fixed-term jobs, which aren't as desirable (and there is zero guarantee of a job at the end of it), the standard amongst applicants is insanely high. No one gets through the longlisting unless they have their PhD in hand. Many have at least one book, and if not a book then several articles, at least one of which will be in a very good, recognizable journal. You also will not get one of these fixed-term posts without already having plenty of teaching experience, as we need to be sure that whoever the postholder is, they can simply hit the ground running and teach/mark/lecture on whatever we need them to teach, which might end up being quite some way from their area of expertise. And we've always been able to hire people who hit all these marks, and who are terrific colleagues, and have learnt that horrible lesson that early-career academics have to learn or they won't survive, which is: as dysfunctional and unfair as everything around you is, and despite the many officially and unofficially-sanctioned inequities you will see daily, you must STFU. Never say anything critical about the people around you, listen very carefully when other people gossip but do not contribute, and for the love of god do not go on about how things were done at your last university. (Well, actually, we've one chap who does this last one, in department meetings no less, and he is not paying attention to the eye-rolling around him when he does, so we'll see how that works out for him.)

I say all this not just to give you some insight into what the standard is even for fixed-term lectureships, but also to make clear what doesn't appear to be at all obvious from the outside: that working in a humanities department at this point in time is brutal. If you want to live the life of the mind, you have to scrape time for that from the huge burden of teaching (and, for permanent staff, also administrative) labor that will be loaded onto you. One good thing is that these days, there is plenty of talk about how miserable this is on social media, unlike pre-2000s when it was harder to find out what things were really like 'on the inside'. (That stuff used to be on Twitter, and since it turned into X it's not as easy to find, but no doubt it has migrated to bits of Instagram and TikTok so you will find it there.) I see my brilliant junior colleagues who have burnt themselves out during their fixed-term jobs increasingly making the decision to leave academia for more humane jobs and careers, and I salute them. Do a PhD if you like, and if you can find the funding (climbing aboard someone else's project as a funded PhD student is a good option though the competition for those is fierce as well: are you sensing a theme here?!), but please do not be under any illusions that teaching at a university, whether on a fixed term, permanent or (the worst option of all) poorly-paid zero-hours contract, will be anything other than exhausting and soul-destroying. The hour in the classroom talking to bright-eyed students about interesting things will be fun, yes. But you have to ask yourself whether everything that comes along with it - including the terrible pay, if it's hourly-paid - is worth it.

(I have experience teaching across the sector, by the way - RG, Oxbridge, others - as well as friends and colleagues with their own battle tales to tell from different institutions. Every one of those places has its own dysfunctions. And Oxbridge might be the most inequitable of all when it comes to hourly-paid teaching and fixed-term posts.)

ThisIsntThe80sPat · 07/01/2024 23:52

Hi everyone
Apologies, I either missed the notifications about the replies here or they didn't show up

I will reply properly tomorrow to everyone

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Acinonyx2 · 20/01/2024 21:33

@SomePig I'm on a fixed term Teaching contract with the expectation to do a bit of research/writing (when???) and you have, sadly, described my position perfectly. Get on with it - ask no questions (just mine the google drive...), no complaints. Two years in I've never had a meeting with my line manager - I'm just a foot soldier on the academic front....

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