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UCU strikes - I feel like I've lost the plot?!

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Hardbackwriter · 18/03/2023 01:39

This is a long rant, sorry!

I left UCU quite a while ago so am just watching from the outside. I'm also PS not academic (I was an academic but changed careers a few years ago), but I have a USS pension and in my institution the understanding is that my grade is UCU if you're a union member.

I have norovirus and so have spent all day feeling sorry for myself on my phone today and I am so just baffled by the UCU stuff. This has further deepened my confusion over it all - I sometimes feel like my idea of what a strike must be off because it seems to be at total odds with everyone around me. Some specific points:

  1. to me it is incredibly obvious that you suspend strikes while you're consulting members on a deal if you're doing discontinuous action anyway. You're not going to get a new deal while you're considering this one - the ball is in your court at that point so getting people to strike is just throwing away members' salary for no possible gain. If members reject the deal then you strike again, when it could actually put some pressure on for a new deal. I therefore don't see how coupling together consultation and a pause during consultation is a scam or an attempt to dupe the membership; it's just common sense.
  2. I don't understand why if you were negotiating on two fronts simultaneously and the other side put forward an offer on both you would think it's on the table to just take the half you like better but demand more on the other one and keep striking to get it? That is surely rejecting the deal. No one negotiates and then lets the other side have only the bits they like without making any of their own concessions - that's not a negotiation.
  3. More fundamentally I feel like I seem to be the only person in my institution who thinks that striking is intended to cause disruption and that's fine but you have to own it. My team keep getting arsey emails about why we're not rearranging everything due to be held on strike days ('do you not know that that's a strike day?'). I'm particularly annoyed about this because a senior academic recently shouted at the most junior member of my team (you know, one of the ones on a pay band too low for anyone in UCU to be on so can be considered irrelevant) and said that she was putting academics in a difficult position deliberately by not rearranging a committee meeting. She doesn't have the power to do that anyway - it was so very full of workers' solidary of them to choose to shout at her rather than the DVC who is the committee chair! - but also, if we rearrange things on strike days aren't we undermining the strike and essentially asking people to do work for free? I think people are trying to avoid having to report that they're striking but how do they think that a strike that your employer literally doesn't know you're doing will have an impact?

    Obviously I don't actually think I'm in the wrong here - but am I?! I feel like this is such common sense stuff that I can't get my head around how anyone else understands it so differently but both my work inbox and my Twitter timeline is full of very smart people who clearly do.
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mynameisnotkate · 18/03/2023 07:02

  1. I agree with you - I don’t think UCU have handled this well.
  2. Fighting on so many fronts at once is difficult and makes negotiation hard. I don’t think this is unreasonable.
  3. you colleague is an idiot and a bully and this should not be happening. That said, it does seem to be common - I’m having a lot of meetings rescheduled because of the strike, which ultimately just means the strike turns into unpaid leave rather than anything meaningfully disruptive. I’m not going to go to anything rescheduled and will be clear why not, but I don’t think many will join me. One of ostensibly very union colleagues is teaching all through this week and next week because it’s an important week for her course which makes me really cross. How do people think strikes have any fucking impact?!
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Flockameanie · 18/03/2023 08:45

This strike has been a shit show. So badly managed by UCU and the comms have been atrocious.

Your colleague sounds like a twat, regardless of the strike situ. Who shouts at a junior PS person??

Reacheduling things - I’ve just tried to avoid scheduling things on strike days. Teaching is cancelled and I don’t reschedule that. Meetings I just organise for a different day. How much impact is this having? Prob very little and I’ve really lost faith in the Union and this course of action. (And, in fact, in academia more broadly, but that’s another thread).

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Hardbackwriter · 18/03/2023 09:06

Your colleague sounds like a twat, regardless of the strike situ. Who shouts at a junior PS person??

I manage a medium sized central services team and I can assure you that plenty of people do, unfortunately (obviously many, many more people are collegial and lots are downright lovely to work with, a real pleasure). The most unpleasantness comes from the departments that think of themselves as the most radical - some people genuinely seem to think that a professor being nasty to a grade 4 administrator is them striking a blow against the neoliberal system.

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Js172 · 18/03/2023 09:12

I agree, the UCU have totally messed up this strike...18 days was too many, pausing then adding a day was just frustrating and now they want to agree a deal that's barely changed from the original offer 🤦‍♀️😡

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Flockameanie · 18/03/2023 14:31

Hardbackwriter · 18/03/2023 09:06

Your colleague sounds like a twat, regardless of the strike situ. Who shouts at a junior PS person??

I manage a medium sized central services team and I can assure you that plenty of people do, unfortunately (obviously many, many more people are collegial and lots are downright lovely to work with, a real pleasure). The most unpleasantness comes from the departments that think of themselves as the most radical - some people genuinely seem to think that a professor being nasty to a grade 4 administrator is them striking a blow against the neoliberal system.

Sorry - I wasn’t doubting that this guy (I assume it’s a man) is a twat. More just incredulous that some people think it’s ok to behave like this.

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dreamingbohemian · 18/03/2023 14:35

This strike is all comms, no strategy

They should take the deal, let everyone regroup and then come up with a better plan for next year

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jeanc · Yesterday 17:19

I agree - have just written to UCU after their latest announcement to say I am leaving the union. It is rubbish, they consult the membership to see if they want to pause the strike and vote on the new deal and then two thirds of the membership want to do that and then they decide to completely overule the vote that they selves put out and keep with the 18days of strike far too many anyway and ignore the vote. Absolutely useless. I have finally had enough! I certainly will not be striking this week. I have been on strike for the last three years and it has resulted in nothing as far as a I can see except for me losing salary and the union's behaviour gets worse and worse. They seem to just be in a small cabal talking to each other with no grip on reality.

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Looksgood · Yesterday 17:25

jeanc · Yesterday 17:19

I agree - have just written to UCU after their latest announcement to say I am leaving the union. It is rubbish, they consult the membership to see if they want to pause the strike and vote on the new deal and then two thirds of the membership want to do that and then they decide to completely overule the vote that they selves put out and keep with the 18days of strike far too many anyway and ignore the vote. Absolutely useless. I have finally had enough! I certainly will not be striking this week. I have been on strike for the last three years and it has resulted in nothing as far as a I can see except for me losing salary and the union's behaviour gets worse and worse. They seem to just be in a small cabal talking to each other with no grip on reality.

If they were evening one cabal talking to each other (as opposed to two or more trying to outmanoeuvre each other) that would be something!

Otherwise, on every point, yes, yes, yes!

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titchy · Yesterday 17:26

Last week they did a 48 hour poll to see if members wanted the opportunity to vote on the current offer and suspend strikes. 68% voted yes.

So they ignored that and are continuing with the remaining three days of strikes. Angry

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mynameisnotkate · Yesterday 18:10

I had a very interesting chat with a colleague who is in the union about this whole shitshow. Apparently a lot of the problem is that UCU Left, who are very extreme, are very influential, and a lot of Jo Grady’s time is spent dealing with power struggles around that, which makes negotiation really hard.

The fundamental problem is that people who are representative of the majority of UCU members (and not the radical left) generally don’t have much interest in standing for office, so it tends to get taken over by small cliques of more extreme people who are the only ones who want to actually devote half their career to the thankless task of union work. You can see from the voting info how cliquey it is. It makes it very hard for sense to prevail.

Not that I think Jo Grady is doing a good job under the circumstances, but it gave me a bit of insight into how hard her job is, and how a lot of what is going on is about power play to undercut the extreme factions.

What a mess. I want to leave - I wanted to leave after UCU’s behaviour over Kathleen Stock. But ultimately if you don’t have a union, you have no power at all.

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Batcountry8 · Yesterday 18:20

Disheartening to read this.

My uni 3rd yr offspring is caught up in this shit show.

Totally fed up.

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Looksgood · Yesterday 21:06

Yes, if you look at UCU left on twitter you can see the dynamic here. But it would help if UCU standard account would start acting seriously and stop drowning communications with pictures of people's puppies and kittens posting ballots.

They too need to recognise that not all right thinking people think or vote the same way, and that adult discussions based on clear information can help with that.

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ghislaine · Yesterday 21:20

I think the issue with the consultation/pause proposal is not that people want to strike while being consulted (unless you are of the UCU Left/SWP persuasion) but that there are two separate disputes, pensions and four fights. Post-92s are not in the USS pensions dispute, only the 4Fs. So to couple both disputes together deprives the membership of the opportunity of making different decisions on each dispute (and also gives post-92 members a say on the pensions dispute). I think this is what a lot of the twitter anger is about, ie the extent to which separate decisions were permissible at HEC and the BDM or only one.

A member who wants to accept the pensions deal but to reject the 4Fs offer (and so stop/continue striking) is not able to do that.

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Looksgood · Yesterday 21:23

ghislaine · Yesterday 21:20

I think the issue with the consultation/pause proposal is not that people want to strike while being consulted (unless you are of the UCU Left/SWP persuasion) but that there are two separate disputes, pensions and four fights. Post-92s are not in the USS pensions dispute, only the 4Fs. So to couple both disputes together deprives the membership of the opportunity of making different decisions on each dispute (and also gives post-92 members a say on the pensions dispute). I think this is what a lot of the twitter anger is about, ie the extent to which separate decisions were permissible at HEC and the BDM or only one.

A member who wants to accept the pensions deal but to reject the 4Fs offer (and so stop/continue striking) is not able to do that.

True, but UCU presumably won't be negotiating on any of the campaigns in the coming week, and nothing in the online consultation stops them from consulting now on all campaigns separately. Not pausing or consulting at all is obviously not the answer.

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ghislaine · Yesterday 22:39

I assume not but then I don’t understand why there are strikes scheduled for this week anyway if they have no impact on non-existent negotiations.

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Hardbackwriter · Today 00:21

ghislaine · Yesterday 21:20

I think the issue with the consultation/pause proposal is not that people want to strike while being consulted (unless you are of the UCU Left/SWP persuasion) but that there are two separate disputes, pensions and four fights. Post-92s are not in the USS pensions dispute, only the 4Fs. So to couple both disputes together deprives the membership of the opportunity of making different decisions on each dispute (and also gives post-92 members a say on the pensions dispute). I think this is what a lot of the twitter anger is about, ie the extent to which separate decisions were permissible at HEC and the BDM or only one.

A member who wants to accept the pensions deal but to reject the 4Fs offer (and so stop/continue striking) is not able to do that.

But wasn't the die cast on that one when they decided that the same strike days covered both disputes? If they accept the USS deal but reject the 4Fs one then keep striking how is that really, in good faith, accepting the USS deal in a sense that feels meaningful? It would make a bit more sense if it might be the other way round - if people were talking about rejecting USS but accepting 4Fs - because that would in effect end industrial action in quite a lot of institutions. But that's obviously not going to happen as the USS is the much more satisfactory deal. Since it's the other way round, why would employers be ok with reaching a deal on USS but with continued industrial action that feels exactly like they reached no deal? Again, I feel like I must be being dense here but I don't get it!

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ghislaine · Today 08:16

I’m very confused too. Obviously not smart enough to join UCU! I can barely keep up with what’s going on.

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Huckleberries73 · Today 08:21

Yep, I agree with everything you have written with bells on, and I am a full time official with a sister union. I suspect working in your sector with the staff who are not allowed” to join UCU.
I find it incredibly and increasingly difficult to work with ucu, and they have no eyes for a collaborative approach to anything.

I feel for the members.

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drwitch · Today 08:36

I think they have put management in an impossible position with the four fights. You can't deliver on all four without a) loads more money (higher fees? ) and b) different strategies across different institutions and departments. Unis that are in danger of closing have different constraints than those that have too many students.
More money sounds fine but actually why should scarce resources go to HE rather than social care FE or schools
I think neoliberalism and psuedo competition has increased financial pressure and the likelihood of poor managerial decisions but us workers in the sector are not suffering because of exploitative capitalists shoring up reserves of profits. It's much more complicated than that and us as academics should face up to this and not shout like toddlers for some one else to solve the problem

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RosesAndHellebores · Today 08:36

Strike ballots have got through in many institutions based on the "no" votes. The no votes add to the proportion of members voting which gets the motion over the line. If academics don't agree with the UCU they need either to leave or abstain from voting.

£40k to £50k as a Lecturer/Senior lecturer; up to £60k as a Reader/associate professor, £65k plus for a professor with many on £70/£80. 7 weeks' holiday, plus bank holidays and a Christmas and Easter closure, 6 months full sick pay followed by six months at half pay, and what is still an excellent pension. Academic staff have always worked flexibly and from home whe not teaching or attending formal meetings.

I agree with the poster that branches have been over-run by fanatics and would add in poor performers looking for protection. Funny how they always expect their research time to be protected but not their teaching. Never mind, it all only affects the students.

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aridapricot · Today 10:16

I think they have put management in an impossible position with the four fights. You can't deliver on all four without a) loads more money (higher fees? ) and b) different strategies across different institutions and departments. Unis that are in danger of closing have different constraints than those that have too many students.

I think this is spot on, and ties in with my observation that many academics (perhaps more so or only in the Humanities?) are generally incapable of seeing trade-offs, and even will act as if trade-offs don't exist. At my place all the time it's like, "Why don't we do this really cool thing for our students' wellbeing", and when you point out that this really cool thing takes significant time and effort everyone acts surprised.

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soundsystem · Today 10:28

You're not alone I'm feeling like you've lost the plot! I'm in a similar position - not an academic but UCU rather than Unison by grade and... yeah, shit show!

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Chrysanthemum5 · Today 11:09

All your points are true. I was in UCU (also PS but that was the union for my grade) but left a couple of years ago. Mainly over their incompetence with the strikes but also their attitude towards women.

I cannot understand how UCU members can stay in a union that ignores their wishes. The UCU leadership is like a bunch of people just playing at running a union. They have no idea about negotiating- my colleague who is still in the union tells me Jo Grady is an academic specialist in industrial relations so he thinks she is great. But to me it just shows what happens when you value knowledge over experience- she has no actual experience of how to actually run a strike

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aridapricot · Today 11:16

I cannot help but think back to some of the first threads opened in here, in autumn 2019. Some of us were still in UCU and striking, but quite sceptic about the whole strategy, and overall disappointed by the poor communication and lack of transparency. On a couple of occasions Grady and her pals found this forum took it to mock us on Twitter as "TERFS", "conservatives", etc. I cannot help but notice the irony that it was in here in Mumsnet that we first articulated the criticisms that the hehistheythems are now vociferously voicing.

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