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When do you think the strikes will be?

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JasminaPashmina · 01/11/2019 13:25

Just that - when do you think the strikes will happen?

Before Christmas by chance?

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Pota2 · 02/02/2020 16:08

No, unfortunately I couldn’t go to Women’s Lib. I wish I had been there. Was there anything interesting or useful said? I really admire those who are still fighting to change UCU from the inside but I haven’t got the energy to do so and think it’s a lost battle at the moment due to the central leadership and the leadership in so many branches, plus the composition of HEC. I just can’t be a part of a group that actively wants to make things hard for me, you know?

I will keep an eye out for the announcement about HEC. Am guessing they think waiting for longer to give notice is better because it means the employer doesn’t officially know what’s happening. At the same time, I think it’s a bit harsh on the members who should ideally know straight after the meeting what the position is.

aridapricot · 03/02/2020 15:36

So 14 days confirmed - absolutely bonkers.

www.ucu.org.uk/article/10621/UCU-announces-14-strike-days-at-74-UK-universities-in-February-and-March?list=1676

Pota2 · 03/02/2020 16:56

Will be interesting to see how it goes. It’s a lot of money to lose for people. Maybe the employers will offer something more concrete but with vague demands like ‘end precarity’ what else can you expect than vague assurances in return. Vagueness opens up risk of future strikes which is why UCU needs to set concrete demands and why the last offer was totally useless and represented virtually no movement.

There’s been no update on the USS dispute from what I can see and I can’t see a long-term deal being struck while there are valuation issues in dispute. So again, a risk of future strikes.

I take no pleasure in this because I feel for precarious staff. I just think they’re being let down massively by the union and that they will get very little out of it but pay a high price.

aridapricot · 03/02/2020 21:26

If any of you is still in the UCU (ha!) here's a good thread from Mike Otsuka about UCU Left and how to vote them off: twitter.com/MikeOtsuka/status/1224381634083987457

JasminaPashmina · 04/02/2020 08:48

Oooh, I see people went to the Women's Liberation conference on Saturday. I really really wanted to be there but I had guests so couldn't make it. How was it?

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JasminaPashmina · 04/02/2020 16:56

nice simple thread on the issue of the latest strikes here

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Pota2 · 04/02/2020 17:58

Wow, that’s a great thread. Sums it all up. So true about the pension valuation. There is no way you will get a long term deal on that now and striking before you know what you’re dealing with is really stupid. So glad that others are starting to wake up to this.

The left-brigade are busy saying everyone must toe the line and tugging at heartstrings with tales of precarious ECRs. The point is that they are being thrown under the bus by this because the poor tactics make it doomed to fail. It’s horribly unfair to give people false hope about this by pretending we’re all in it together. On conditions only, the membership didn’t vote to strike. ‘Tricking’ them into striking on this by joining it with pensions isn’t helping anyone. It’s making ECRs take the hit.

Gosh, this is awful. I feel so bad for those who are still intent on believing this union acts in its members’ best interests. The strike in December was pointless, for show and probably designed to allow UCU left to do canvassing for the Labour Party.

aridapricot · 04/02/2020 19:59

Yes compared to other strikes, I'm seeing more open dissent on Twitter (ok I know it's not real life!). Also the people in my timeline who are normally all vocal about going on strike have been surprisingly quiet or concise this time. I will be keeping an eye on Mike Otsuka's account and will be voting tactically to keep UCU Left out of the HEC.

JasminaPashmina · 06/02/2020 10:01

@aridapricot I'm actually seeing a lot of people IRL talking like this too and really questioning the strike this time around.

@Pota2 I think you're absolutely right that people were using the opportunity of the strike to canvas for Labour.

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Venusflytart · 06/02/2020 14:38

I left the union before the last round of strikes in December, and an not very enthused about the current new batch of strikes. I don't think the last strikes were successful in any way, other than saving the university some money on wages.

Also, my branch (and several others) has/have apparently decided that the first two strike days should be moved to the end of the period as the first two were orginally in reading week. That means that four of my lectures (and three seminars) will be affected, great! I tried to move them so that students can choose to support the strike, but this proved not possible. I am all for supprting ECRs, and I will do so by donating to the strike fund, and I hope ECRs do not lose out because of the ideological war within UCU.

Pota2 · 06/02/2020 17:57

I think there is real push-back on the UCU now following this announcement. They have let members down badly.

I also saw that Jo Grady is doing a live Q&A on Facebook next week: twitter.com/ucu/status/1225026735793676288?s=21

At the same time, I find myself getting irritated when I see people saying they will go into debt or use a food bank so they can still strike. Really, nothing is worth that. It genuinely isn’t. This is some ineffective vanity project on the part of the UCU and is unlikely to have much impact given how badly organised it is. If you want to go into debt for that, be my guest, but you really don’t have to. As someone said upthread, there are union reps who scab and claim their salary. Jo Grady earns over 100k and I’ve seen nothing about her donating 22 days pay to the fund and I bet she hasn’t. If you’re in financial shit, don’t put yourself in more financial shit for this lot.

Oh and if I see any Leverhulme ECFs harp on about the ‘digital picket’ while working from home and claiming full salary, I shall scream.

impostersyndrome · 07/02/2020 13:48

I agree with you Pota2. No one should feel obliged to impoverish themselves for this highly questionable campaign.

The potential detriment to student learning is inexcusable. They have no recourse (and financial compensation is not going to help someone missing out on a first, or indeed a pass). The university authorities will, I'm sure, care about the effect on students, but this isn't going to suddenly change their position - mostly, because they cannot..

Not only is the strike targeted at the wrong people, but it is tactically injudicious, in bundling together four unrelated grievances, some of which are unlikely to be changed as they're more about the structure of research funding (short-term grants), than individual universities purposely shortchanging their staff. If it were up to me, I'd be resigning all unpaid external posts: external examination, editorial boards, peer review & etc. The first would have an immediate effect on university administrations, without harming student learning.

Dolorabelle · 07/02/2020 16:40

Increasingly, I am thinking I will not strike.

But the ethical question is, on what grounds do I then remain a member of the UCU?

aridapricot · 07/02/2020 18:43

Interesting thread here with Jo McNeill launching an attack on Jo Grady's partner and by association on Jo Grady too...
twitter.com/JomcneillUCU/status/1225538028866822144

impostersyndrome · 07/02/2020 19:49

Oh for goodness sake! This sort of nonsense is taking up time when they should be negotiating a settlement.

Pota2 · 07/02/2020 19:59

Yes, it’s astonishing. My first question is, how the hell do you get a right-wing trade union activist? Isn’t that an oxymoron? There were only two candidates for president and apparently if you don’t vote for Jo McNeill’s preferred choice, you’re right wing. They’re all as bad as each other and none of them seem to be able to organise a piss-up in a brewery.

In fact nobody on the negotiating team, ie the people tasked with securing us a deal, strikes me as being impressive or persuasive. None of them seem able to formulate what it is they want and all of them appear to have vague and unrealistic goals like ‘tearing down the existing system and building the university we want’. Good luck with that one but it will be without my 22 days salary (although sadly I did donate 7 days of pay for the November strike).

impostersyndrome · 07/02/2020 20:14

Yes “tearing down the system”. How do they propose we do that? The research funding system is tough, but alternatives, that would supposedly assure jobs for postdocs, run the risk of funnelling funding to a smaller number of elite groups, creating further problems in the sector.

Has anyone popped over to the Higher Education board? There’s a depressing discussion going on there in a thread about the strikes, raised by parents of kids at uni. Academics do not come out very well from it...

Pota2 · 07/02/2020 20:21

Thanks for the tip about the HE thread. Will pop over there.

You’re right about the issues about potential elitism. Much as I hate REF, blind peer review and competitive funding processes, they create more of a level playing field eg for post-92s. If we got rid of that, there would be fewer jobs and the funding would be concentrated in the RG. I don’t think they have thought it through.

Many of the fights about conditions need to be done on a local level. The most UCEA can offer are vague guidelines about best practices. They’re not budging on pay, so I can’t see the negotiators securing anything that will make a meaningful difference to people’s lives. Certainly nothing worth 22 days pay being docked.

aridapricot · 07/02/2020 20:45

Completely agree @pota2 and @impostersyndrome. As though as the REF and funding-capture regime are, I am very aware that if I am where I am is partly thanks to them, as someone who didn't have the right pedigree and who's also not particularly good at networking or being likeable. I am of course not suggesting they're a perfect meritocracy and the ways in which they disadvantage women with caring duties, colleagues with disabilities, etc. are particularly concerning to me. I also get the sense that a lot of the talk about precarity comes from a Humanities point of view and most of the people you hear talking about precarity on social media are in the Humanities or some Social Sciences. In the picket lines I went to the Humanities were also overrepresented in a completely disproportionate way etc. Not that there isn't precarity in STEM of course but my sense is that it is of a different nature and so the ways to address it should be different too. Considering that the Humanities are really a very small part of British HE, I wonder if all of this talk alienates colleagues in other disciplines who might be concerned about precarity but don't feel represented.

Pota2 · 07/02/2020 21:18

Yes, I agree that much of the talk comes from humanities and soc sci. It’s true that there aren’t many jobs in those fields and I think universities tend to over recruit phd students, coupled with the fact that the skills gained as a student don’t necessarily directly translate to alternative careers.

However, universities need to be financially viable. Money comes from fee income and grant funding. Grants, esp large ones, can be hard to come by, and a lot of the research is quite niche and different to eg STEM where it has a direct impact.

Also, at my institution, recruitment for humanities is down and some depts are being carried by the rest of the faculty because they are not very financially viable. That’s not necessarily solely due to evil university bosses. At some places, there is a reality to this.

Also, I saw someone had estimated that the £3,000-odd pay rise UCU wants for all staff across the sector would cost hundreds of millions. That will mean redundancies, as will their demand that UUK gives a cast iron guarantee that they will bear the entire brunt of any rise in person contributions regardless of what any future valuation says. That will undoubtedly lead to universities tightening their belts on staffing. It just makes no sense.

Pota2 · 09/02/2020 11:42

metooucu.blogspot.com/2020/02/an-account-of-sexual-assault-in-ucu.html?m=1

Jesus, this is so bad. I am so glad to be out of the UCU. Jo McNeill, Margot Hill and Vicky Blake do not come off well here.

impostersyndrome · 09/02/2020 14:42

I spotted that this morning on Twitter, @Pota2. Utterly disgusting.

bakedbeanzontoast · 10/02/2020 18:55

@impostersyndrome that's because all the parents care about is us changing their offsprings nappies for them.

JC4PMPLZ · 10/02/2020 19:37

One of the victims has written a response that complicates things and shows the original account to be part if a disingenuous faction fight.

responsetometooucu.blogspot.com/2020/02/a-response-to-metooucu-yesterday.html?m=1

impostersyndrome · 10/02/2020 20:05

However ill-informed some of the comments, they’re mostly right. I’d also be worried about my offspring’s studies if they were in a department cancelling lectures left, right, and centre for the strike.