PhD student publication - how to handle co-author situation?

[GoingComando]

I am a social science lecturer.

One of my PhD students is just finished and wants to write a paper. There is another social science lecturer involved in the supervision team.

The PhD student asked about co-authorships on this paper.

The other supervisor said she wouldn't expect to be named as a co-author. The thing is that I would expect to be named as a co-author.

In social sciences, supervisors wouldn't automatically be listed on PhD students' papers they way they would in the sciences. There's a debate to be had about that but that's a separate point.

My take is that if I read and comment on PhD student publications (not the thesis), then I would expect to be a co-author. But the other supervisor has said she would be happy to read drafts but wouldn't expect an authorship even with this work.

Will I look like a twat if I say basically say the above (that I'd expect an authorship for reading/commenting)? Am I unreasonable for expecting an authorship on a paper for doing this?

I don't think you have quite explained how far your supervision extended in this case. Have you written parts of the paper? That is indeed odd for a supervisory role and a huge problem for the student if she submits this work as part of her degree. Did the student use your original ideas which you discussed during supervision? Again this is an odd thing for a supervisor to do as the thesis is supposed to be the student's own original work.

Other forms of support, such as helping a student clarify their own thoughts, suggesting other areas to read up on, commenting on drafts, are part of supervisory expectations.

So, either you have contributed beyond the scope of supervision and may have a claim to authorship but the student can't submit this work as their own original work, or you have contributed within the limits of supervision and don't have a claim for authorship.

At least this is how it would work in my discipline.

Goodness, sorry I am an idiot, you did say right at the beginning that this was a separate project and not the thesis. Ignore me.

It's fine @Booboostwo It's a paper based on the thesis.

I've emailed her now and basically said I'm happy to read over drafts but if I do any substantial editing etc. I'd expect to be a second author. I didn't say it quite as bluntly as this.

Thanks for everyone's thoughts on this, I really appreciate the chance to think these things through and clarify things.