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Anyone in the UCU?

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Closetlibrarian · 25/01/2018 20:51

And striking at end of Feb?

I joined UCU after the last strike, so this will be my first. Even though I voted in favour it, I'm now in an utter quandary. I have an absolute monster of a semester coming up and I'm fretting about all the lectures, tutorials, etc, I'll have to cancel as part of the strike.

If you've gone on strike before how did you present it to your students so that they didn't just get really pissed off with you for cancelling lectures (that we're then, according to UCU, not supposed to reschedule)?

Also, how did you mange with the loss of income? I'm the 'breadwinner', so 14 days of strike action is going to massively impact us (i.e. I'm not sure we'll be able to pay our bills).

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LeChatSauvage · 13/03/2018 17:06

Okay user that’s fine (I get the Oxbridge college context) and I take your point re - universities may be able to make accommodations, but external bodies won’t.

whiskyowl · 13/03/2018 17:08

"Many argue that the university's only judge the seriousness of the strike by how many people register as having been on strike. But I don't know whether this is actually true."

In my place, it appears to be true. Strike data per department are collated centrally and circulated to all HoDs and above. Data from previous strikes were collated in advance of this one and emailed around to suggest that there would not be much support, accompanied by an email stating a very hard line on ASOS. The pro-VC also personally takes the view that no strike declaration = no support for the strike, even where disruption is still being caused by that person (e.g. they are not showing up for teaching).

I think this is partly a matter of limiting the financial impact - I can't speak for my own department as I have nothing like the seniority required to have access to strike forms, but in DH's very few people have declared for every day. Most have declared for teaching days only. These people definitely support the strike, but the pro-VC would count them as not supportive.

The logic of industrial action in universities is very different from the classic narrative of unionism in factories. In a factory, a lack of labour shuts the place down, hurting the employer's profits because nothing is manufactured. In a university, the employer actually benefits from the strike, since they get to keep money they would otherwise have spent on wages without losing any income (tuition fees having already been paid). This seems to me to create an important difference between the two types of action.

Additionally, in a university one does not sell a temporal quantum of labour in the same way as in a factory. In spite of the best efforts of Stern, some of the capital from the work remains personal to the individual, and there is arguably self-harm as well as institutional harm if this is not completed. There is also an amount of care work that goes on that is not as easy to avoid, since a student who is in need of crisis support cannot simply be told to wait until the strike is over.

Some could argue that, by taking a course of action that maximises disruption (striking on teaching days) while minimising pay impacts (working from home, paid on other days), they are actually inflicting maximum damage on the institution, and are able to sustain industrial action for a longer time than would otherwise be possible. This is not what I personally have done, but I can definitely see an argument for it being a sensible course of action.

Finally, the one thing the universities have run scared of in this particular fight seems to have been reputational/PR damage - should the tide of public opinion, and especially student opinion, turn against the dispute, I suspect that attitudes might change very rapidly.

I'm quite scared at the prospect that we could actually lose this deal and emerge from this with nothing.

user150463 · 13/03/2018 17:21

Strike data per department are collated centrally and circulated to all HoDs and above.

Yes, for us too.

Interestingly, some of those who have vocally described themselves as being on strike have actually not declared themselves on strike "officially" or done so only for specific days.

I have chosen not to circulate this information as I think it could add to bad feeling. I am still deciding whether to report to HR/payroll those who were on strike and missed teaching classes but who didn't report it officially so as not to lose income. (It is my job to check the list of people who declared they were striking against the missed classes, BTW; otherwise I would not interfere.)

I have dealt with a couple of serious student crises in this period - because I simply could not leave them, having experienced student suicide in the past.

LeChatSauvage · 13/03/2018 17:24

Some could argue that, by taking a course of action that maximises disruption (striking on teaching days) while minimising pay impacts (working from home, paid on other days), they are actually inflicting maximum damage on the institution, and are able to sustain industrial action for a longer time than would otherwise be possible.

I can see the argument and of course academics are best placed to construct arguments like this in defence of them crossing the picket lines. But to those of us who have taken the full hit of 11 days without pay in the name of protecting our pensions, it rings rather hollow.

We/they are engaging in just such ‘self harm’ while it appears that others are clearly not doing the same. When many of those are senior lecturers / Readers or Profs on vastly higher salaries than our own lowly lectureships - that makes me quite cross.

LeChatSauvage · 13/03/2018 17:26

Serious pastoral issues are different and should of course not go unattended.

user150463 · 13/03/2018 17:54

When many of those are senior lecturers / Readers or Profs on vastly higher salaries than our own lowly lectureships - that makes me quite cross.

But it is also important to realise that you may not know the full circumstances.

Some indeed may be close to retirement, and about to retire on good packages themselves, so just being selfish.

But all the senior people I know that are working (either for pay or for no pay) are doing so because some of their work HAS to be done in this period. The world does not just stop because UK pre-92 universities are on strike.

Research council meetings are still going ahead. I have spent 20+ hours preparing for one, to protect a research field from damaging cuts. The world of research proceeds as usual - my group has work in competition with a top US group. If that work doesn't get finished in time to compete, my early career researchers are going to struggle to get jobs. I am involved in a large international consortium bid - without which early career researchers may well not have jobs. I am contributing evidence to a government panel. I am preparing a report for a UK professional body. Etc etc.

So even before we look at teaching or "neglectable" management tasks for my university/department or my own individual research, there is a lot of stuff that I feel I just cannot drop without large consequences.

In my department many senior professors are doing all of this kind of "essential" stuff for no pay. But I am not going to sit in condemnation of others in similar circumstances for choosing to be paid. I don't think it is productive, or conducive to good relations after the strike.

LeChatSauvage · 13/03/2018 18:16

I really don’t want this debate to read as an argument (I know it’s difficult for everyone), I’m just after a coherent argument.

Don’t we all have work that we can’t drop without large consequences? Who decides some work is more important than others? It just isn’t coherent if we take that line.

You’re also in danger of saying research is more important than teaching and that is a message those with heavy teaching loads are getting a bit tired of hearing.

But again - I don’t say all this for argument - I say it because I as much as all of us am really struggling to figure out what is most ethical to do in this difficult situation.

Riverside2 · 13/03/2018 18:50

Hello
I'm not an academic and I have a question please?

The money that people have put into pensions already, if you aren't happy with the new scheme, can you get any of it back to reinvest somewhere else? I'm assuming not?

I support the strike. I'm just asking the question because I'm curious to know if this option exists, I'm guessing no because it would leave a hole in the fund?

OuaisMaisBon · 13/03/2018 19:01

I don't know if any of you are interested in this, from Professor Bill Cooke, of the University of York: Complaint to the Charity Commission re Universities UK?

Not sure how true this is, from Twitter.
Vincent in solidarity
@pedantka
7h7 hours ago

Vincent in solidarity Retweeted Warwick UCU

Let's emphasise again how VERY BLOODY DIFFICULT it is to get academics to
a) join a union
b) admit their labour is labour
c) withdraw their labour
d) picket
e) agree on anything
This context is necessary to understand how very serious #NoCapitulation is.

You would all know better than I, I'm saying nothing Grin We just heard today that our daughter got accepted for the only Master's course she's interested in so am a very happy (and boastful, sorry!) parent!

20nil · 13/03/2018 19:05

I think if in doubt, ask your shop steward for guidance. Mine has been great.

There’s a poster here who hasn’t done any work at all during the strike, but I don’t know a single other person in this situation (apart from some librarians who really can’t take their work home with them). I’m declaring 14 days of strike but I have done some research and admin catching up in the period. And I’ve been on picket lines most days too. No actual teaching, but I’ve helped sort out a viva for student because if I hadn’t, she would have been in real trouble. I don’t feel guilty about this and I refuse to judge others who have made simialr decisions. There are grey areas because of the nature of or jobs and the UCU guidance isn’t helpful.

I’m supposed to be speaking at an event in Europe on Thursday, one that doesn’t involve any teaching but I’ve decided not to go because I would be there in some form as a representative of the university. But I almost did go. Let’s not fall out among ourselves.

titchy · 13/03/2018 19:23

Riverside - what has been paid in to date has been under existing scheme at the time contributions were made. So for most people this will largely be final salary, or career average for the newest members, with a bit of DC for higher earners.

You'd be mad to take that out cos you couldn't reinvest that yourself except as a DC private scheme with no employer contributions.

If you moved, say to the post 92 sector or another public sector scheme then yes you can move your entire pension over although the value might not be exactly the same.

worstofbothworlds · 13/03/2018 19:35

I've done a small amount of communicating with colleagues (mainly via FB messenger) and have sent about 5 emails, and pressed one "approve submission" button on a grant. I only work 0.8 so have had a longer straight run out of the office (but I would normally expect to answer one or two urgent emails on my regular day off, and also one of the Saturdays was an open day and I spent most of the rest of the day in the office too).
I emailed a student yesterday who I normally see on a Weds to say I may be able to meet her. She replied "oh sorry I'm busy" (something helpful for her course but I needn't have bothered anyway!)

I'm really struggling to find out what would happen to my pension because I've paid in loads of added years AVCs and the calculations never take those into account. I was originally trying to make up the years I missed because of doing a PhD/doing my postdocs overseas but now I've got to the stage where if things stayed as they were I worked out I'd have a full pension by 60.
Except I don't know where I am now.

Riverside2 · 13/03/2018 19:35

Titchy, I see, thanks.

MySockIsWetAgain · 13/03/2018 20:42

I have been on strike every day, teaching or no teaching. So has DH. We felt that the university counting strikers is important, even though the double loss of salary is hitting us very hard. We have nursery to pay for and DH is on a temporary contract, so by now I have VERY LITTLE respect left for people who work from home and don't declare it.

Having said this, we have both worked from home on stuff which is for us. We thought about research and prepared talks. This means less evenings and weekends in the weeks to come. We however did not teach, go into the office, log into the university computers or systems, or did anything which can be tangibly proved to be work. What I think about while not at work is my own bussiness.

worstofbothworlds · 13/03/2018 21:12

And now I can't find my USS number to look at the modeller.

whiskyowl · 14/03/2018 07:59

LeChat - I agree with you personally, which is why I have taken the full hit. The problem with the argument I outlined above, as I see it, is that it disproportionately affects teaching staff, who are often also the most junior and economically vulnerable. Research-heavy staff may be able to miss just a few days in comparison to staff who teach every day. That isn't fair.

While I have sympathy for the argument that "work has to be done" (DH being a HoD, I hear this one a lot!!) I think that academics in general, and management in particular, tend to overestimate the importance of the work they do. In the vast majority of cases, the world will still turn tomorrow if something doesn't get done. And I don't mean if something is postponed. I mean if it is dropped altogether.

In part, this is because of the general psychology of the profession - it's full of people (again, like DH) who are desperate for praise, for a pat on the head and a "there's a good boy". In fact, it's full of people who have never really experienced anything outside of that work-praise-work-praise routine, who fear criticism or failure like the devil. Managment just exacerbates this because there is a feeling of having one's head above the parapet, of being a bit more visible.

user - I think the thing about non-reporting is VERY common. DH used to have a guy in his department who did nothing but advertise how much more radical he was than everyone else, because he was a Marxist. (Don't get me wrong, I'm a strange kind of heterodox Marxist myself). He rarely reported any strike days compared to the colleagues he was happy to criticise as "soft liberal". He was also the least colleagiate member of the department - a sigh of relief was breathed by pretty much all when he retired. Wink

20nil · 14/03/2018 08:09

Please declare all your days if you can. I know it’s hard for people, but as others have said, this is what the university sees and which will make a real impact as they weigh up the potential impact of the next wave of strikes. I’ve always thought a marking boycott would be the most effective action and I hope the next strike days will coincide with exam season.

SoupyNorman · 14/03/2018 08:48

I’ve been on research leave this semester, but on strike for every day and have done no work whatsoever (one urgent email sent over a weekend aside). I really appreciate your above post whisky. I think it’s unfair that the burden falls disproportionately on teaching staff, and I think it tends to view teaching as disposable/not as important, whereas the oh so important research and research admin gets privileged. And we all know how that then further disadvantages staff with heavy teaching loads when it comes to cases for promotion.

I don’t know how the strike for marking/assessment period will fall for non-teaching staff, so I may have to reassess then. I’m also pregnant, which is a further complication (picket line and morning sickness has been difficult to say the least...).

NeverEverAnythingEver · 14/03/2018 09:07

I have done NOTHING on the strike days, as far as the university is concerned, and work to contract on non-strike days. Nobody is going to die and I hope some people will be inconvenienced, otherwise you might as well just sack me, if my time and effort have so little impact.

LeChatSauvage · 14/03/2018 09:46

Whisky - totally agree and you’ve hit the nail on the head.

Academics are by nature (if you can generalise) eager for praise. That’s in large part how they (we?) got here. In some ways we must be a dream workforce - how many other workforces would so happily give away two days a week of work for free? www.timeshighereducation.com/news/ucu-report-academics-work-two-days-week-unpaid

My DH thinks working 5 mins past 5pm is working late.

And re the Marxist who loved to advertise his Marxism and didn’t declare ... I think his twin worked in our department!

whiskyowl · 14/03/2018 09:59

Congratulations on your pregnancy soupy! Flowers

user150463 · 14/03/2018 11:59

You’re also in danger of saying research is more important than teaching and that is a message those with heavy teaching loads are getting a bit tired of hearing

Oh FFS. I also have a HUGE teaching load in addition to my management and research. Don't start up that argument again, of how professors don't do teaching when we sure as hell do in every department I know.

user150463 · 14/03/2018 12:02

And of course the world would keep turning if I skipped a research council meeting or didn't write my government report. But if you want all academics not to do these things, then you need to prepared to live with the consequences (15% reduction of funding for a research field etc).

whiskyowl · 14/03/2018 12:25

I don't think anyone is accusing you personally of not teaching user! It's obvious you work really hard in all areas!

What I was saying was definitely not about you, and my apologies that I didn't make that clearer. My point was in response to what you said about people being publicly vocal about striking but not actually taking the pay cut. In my own view (which is personal and mine alone) research-heavy staff who are choosing to strike on teaching days, but getting paid for other days when they can work from home are basically asking teaching-heavy staff (who are often younger/more precarious) who don't have the luxury of quiet strike-breaking to carry more than their fair share of the economic burden for the strike.

I think the subsequent comment was raising a valid question that pushes this logic further: is research or managerial work really more 'important', more indispensible, than teaching work? Again, just speaking personally, I think that's too complex a question to have a straightforward answer - it comes down to the job at hand. A lot of the work HoDs do is deeply collegiate and involves personal sacrifice of time and effort for collective goods - your example of research council meetings where an area needs urgent defending is a good one. I would argue that a student crisis is another - the union actually gave DH and some colleagues special exemption to break the strike for 2 days last week so that they sort out a huge issue that arose last week involving a large number of students. Other managerial jobs are maybe not as indispensible or essential as this, however - and I'm not sure the argument that 'the work doesn't go away' is any more true of HoDs than other staff.

whiskyowl · 14/03/2018 15:25

And finally, the penny has started to drop on Twitter that this is not just an employer/employee strike, but there is a regulator involved. (I've been saying this into the void at work for days!!) Why did it take people so long to realise this? And so long to start asking the basic, fundamental, important question that acts as a horizon to what it is possible for this action to achieve: what is the best deal that is achievable in the current cirumstances, according to the existing, binding regulatory frameworks?