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What is helpful for first years?

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thedevilsavocado · 09/05/2017 19:55

Hi I am delurking to ask for ideas and advice. I teach on a first year undergrad module in social sciences. I have run this module for the last few years and it has always gone well. However this year a significant minority of students have given negative feedback in relation to how clear they are about key ideas on the module. Ironically grades are up this year but satisfaction is not! I am wondering if I am stuck in a rut with my teaching. What kinds of teaching and support do you think help first years? Thanks in advance!

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tatohead · 10/05/2017 19:11

Advice on how to actually do well in their degree: referencing, critical thinking, structuring assignments. They're supposed to get this elsewhere but it doesn't seem to go in.

If your assessment is due or you give the marks back after the module evaluation the grades won't be reflected in the scores, so if you were being a bit strategic you could move a piece of assessment to before the evals Wink

Not lecturing for more than 10 mins usually helps me. 10 min lecture, then a poll/discussion for 5-10 mins then a bit more lecture etc

GoatsFeet · 10/05/2017 20:02

Ironically grades are up this year but satisfaction is not!

Actually, if you think about it, that makes sense. Maybe they found the module hard and so worked harder than previous years, and dfid well, but were dissatisfied because the module required unfamiliar work, patterns of thinking, etc.

Also have you read the research that suggests that student evaluations of teaching are more accurate in predicting students' unconscious bias (and particularly sexism & racism) than the quality of teaching?

The French meta-study, for example, showed that often students in courses they rated highly, did less well ...

thedevilsavocado · 10/05/2017 21:39

Thanks both, some useful pointers here. I do mix things up so I am not talking at them all the time but I think more discussion of assignment structure egg is something I should think about. Goatsfeet thanks, I think you have hit the nail on the head re grades and finding it hard, I just hope my Dean sees it that way! I had heard about the gender bias research and think I should read it once I am feeling more positive! It is hard not to take feedback personally, I find.

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thedevilsavocado · 10/05/2017 21:40

Assignment structure etc not egg, sorry!

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GoatsFeet · 10/05/2017 22:24

I agree about finding it hard not to take feedback about teaching personally, I really put my heart into teaching (although my job balance is such that I never have time to do lots of snazzy experimental stuff in my teaching). I never take feedback on my research personally at all, but I find the ill-thought out prejudices of 18 year olds really grating.

GoatsFeet · 10/05/2017 22:27

Meant to add: but if you look at a current AIBU thread about someone's daughters exam, and a clear cock up by the university, granted, but which will be dealt with - it's unleashed all sorts of entitled and neo-liberal prejudices (and misinformation) about universities- if students are hearing this at home, from ill-informed parents, then it filters through to their children.

Sadly. Because I think these attitudes can actually hinder students' full development.

thedevilsavocado · 10/05/2017 22:45

Yes I have read the exam thread and was a little shocked by some responses. I did talk things through with a couple of colleagues today which has helped. I think I struggle with what students want as opposed to what I think they need.

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GoatsFeet · 11/05/2017 09:05

was a little shocked by some responses

Glad it's not just me that found the entitled and demanding attitude of some parents problematic.

I've never liked to be one of those "it was harder in my day" or "students are now wimps" academics. But I do think it's getting harder and harder to work with first years because they are generally less well-prepared for university. Not that they are not clever enough - my students are really bright, energetic, and ambitious.

But ...

They have been in a secondary education system where it's become the teacher's fault or problem if her/his class don't get a required set of results. They can do course work over & over until they get the required C or above. They are spoonfed answers to exams - teachers now teach to the exams from early years SATS onwards.

And it's because teachers have the league table/OFSTED pressure. Of course, if teachers are told that X outcome is needed, teachers do what is needed to get the best X result they can!

I think too that students aren't used to the synthesising thinking that certainly my first year module requires - I ask them to think over a big arc of time & ideas, and to make connections. A level syllabi tend to cut it all into bitesize examinable chunks.

And the digital resources available now sometimes offer a false sense of comprehensiveness. They can sometimes think that surfing the internet is 'research.' That randomly putting words into Google will produce an adequate bibliography, or even doing the same with JSTOR (better, in my field, but still not good research method).

So if they indicate dissatisfaction, it's probably less to do with what you're offering them, and more to do with their own unease and frustration with first year.

Learning well is difficult. Unfortunately, they've had 13 years where that has been smoothed over for them, and the benefits of what comes with difficulty have not been modelled for them. They lack resilience, partly because the K-13 education system cannot accommodate failure from risk-taking.

Peanutbuttercheese · 11/05/2017 09:19

Would someone mind linking to the thread mentioned?

I managed to work in higher education in the last few golden years, I retired early as unfortunately my brain doesn't function as it should anymore after a trauma I suffered so I retired early.

I agree about spoon feeding, the day all resources had to be put online and a simple click was all that wasn't needed attendance at lectures went down.

One of my colleagues summed it up, University is more like a bloody finishing school now.

GoatsFeet · 11/05/2017 09:21

Oh dear is it bad form to link one discussion to another? Thread about a thread etc etc.

It's in Am I Being Unreasonable:

AIBU to feel so angry with Dds uni?

thedevilsavocado · 11/05/2017 15:34

Linked to the notion that learning is difficult, some of my feedback said that my lectures need to be more fun! I try to be approachable and not stuffy with my students but I do think that learning is not fun most of the time, it's hard work. It can be engaging and motivating but not 'fun' and I am a teacher not an entertainer. The difficulty I find is getting this message across without sounding negative.

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GoatsFeet · 11/05/2017 15:50

You need to get hold of the research about student evaluations. Here's a start maybe?

Gender bias in academe

LordRothermereBlackshirtCunt · 11/05/2017 16:44

If you go for the "fun" approach, there will be students that don't like that either. You're right, learning is difficult. There's a tutor in my department who makes everything fun. Most of the students love her, she always gets nominated for a spoon feeding teaching award. But when I moderate her assessments, I can see a big difference between what her groups are achieving and what more rigorous tutors get out of their students by pushing them intellectually. If you went by the evaluations, you'd think the popular, fun tutor was the most effective, but that's not the case at all.

MiladyThesaurus · 11/05/2017 16:52

I totally agree with LordRothermere based on my experiences with colleagues who do 'fun', 'active' learning with the students. The students genuinely don't learn as much in those classes (but kid themselves that they worked really hard).

thedevilsavocado · 11/05/2017 17:56

Thanks for the link Goatsfeet I was talking with two of my colleagues today who had not come across this research either. I will certainly be reading and sharing! I am so glad I posted on this board and really appreciate everyone's responses. You are all helping me to reflect on this feedback in a helpful way, rather than just reacting to it.

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CassandraAusten · 11/05/2017 20:16

Don't take it to heart too much OP. If you normally get good feedback maybe this was just a blip? In my opinion asking for lectures to be more fun is the kind of thing people write when they can't think of anything else to criticise!

If you've taught this module for several years maybe it's time to switch things around a bit (if that can be accommodated)? I do think you can get a bit stale teaching the same stuff for too long.

thedevilsavocado · 11/05/2017 21:15

Thanks Cassandra it has really helped talking about it on here. I do think it needs a shake up so actually I can turn it into a positive. I really appreciate your thoughts as well LordRothermere and Milady, I have similar colleagues and I know that students have been comparing and that I am the no fun one!! I am ok with that though, as long as they are still doing well and attending.

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