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Nice new corner! Come and chat!

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NeverEverAnythingEver · 05/09/2015 09:06

We have our new board! Calling all cademics/aspiring academics/fed-up academics - come and chat!

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ohdearlord · 05/01/2016 21:15

Lovely, thank you. I shall lurk observantly :-)

ComposHatComesBack · 06/01/2016 07:41

My subject in particular seems to be populated by old, white, over-privileged, men that don't really have a clue about what it's like to have to fight for things. "Just work hard and it will happen"

I get told this a lot, my former supervisor means well, but came onto the academic jobs market nearly 30 years ago and got a lectureship within months of completing his PhD and has been there ever since. Also, almost be definition anyone on the inside and in a position to supervise postgrads has succeeded, I often thing the advice from those who fell by the wayside would be more valuable. Despite working in a subject that has a better than average gender balance, the institution where I did my PhD had no permanent female academics when I started.Something that was reflected in the limited breadth of research this 'pale, male and stale' department produced.

I can't imagine how dispiriting that must have been for female PhD students. The department's unspoken message was 'all you are worth is a low paid, insecure contract.Aspire to nothing more'

I can't speak for others like Compos and Godstopper, but it doesn't look to me as though the more formal, institutional systems are accessible to us or able to help. Like so many things in academia, if you're already on the inside

Amen to that. It feels like I am in a state of perpetual limbo, cut off from all forms of support (career advice, networking, access to e resources) at the time I need it the most. I can't see a way through it and generic advice like publish! attend conferences! speak at conferences! network! Isn't bad advice and I have no doubt is the way you get an academic. job. But no one on the inside seems to understand these things take time, resources and money that I don't have at the moment. My (casual, minimum wage) mcjob ensures that either and frequently both are in short supply. I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that an academic career (at least in its early stages) requires you to be independently wealthy.

NK5BM3 · 06/01/2016 09:46

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disquisitiones · 06/01/2016 12:25

Athena SWAN is meant to address structural issues, though. Being optimistic, perhaps Athena SWAN is gradually improving things.

MarasmeAbsolu · 06/01/2016 15:33

Dipping my toes here, after a 3-year long hiatus since my last mat leave scrolling down to most recent post, first words I read are AthenaSWAN - the stuff of the devil when you are working on your school's application :)

Marking my place, although doing this on first day back at work might set the scene for 2016!

NeverEverAnythingEver · 07/01/2016 07:33

Happy New Year!

I did absolutely NO work over Christmas. :)

Agree that Athena Swan is the devil's underpants if you are unfortunate (ie being female) enough to have to work on the application. But optimistically speaking it does aim for structural change.

I declined Aurora several times. WTF do they mean that I have to renew myself like the goddess Aurora? I would have them know that I'm pretty happy with who I am. Give me Athena any day. "Goddess of wisdom, courage, inspiration, civilization, law and justice, mathematics, strength, war strategy, the arts, crafts, and skill" (according to Wiki) is more like it.

My mentoring thing fizzled out but was very helpful in the beginning and got me where I wanted to be. It was very therapeutic to have several sessions of talking about me me me all the time!

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Miffytastic · 08/01/2016 11:44

Hello, it's been a while since I was on the thread. Feeling rather disconnected and despondent tbh. Reckon 2016 is make or break year for me - I've got my thesis to resubmit and I'm looking for a research post. I have done research for years, but finding it harder to find work, hence doing the PhD. In the last seven months there have only been three jobs to apply for, I have had two interviews, but actual money to pay the bills is in short supply. Seriously thinking about a career change, but don't know how/what and currently trying to juggle JSA and occasional temporary work with getting thesis finished (and kids).

Sorry for the moany post but thought you'd understand.

MultishirkingAgain · 08/01/2016 20:16

Reckon 2016 is make or break year for me That's one way to look at it, but another is that a scholarly career is a long thing. I think you have to hold onto that quietly, secretly in the face of the short-termism of the effing REF etc etc

I've just been writing a big public lecture I have to do, and it's been fascinating for me (and totally utterly self-indulgent) to trace the connections of my research from around the second year of my first undergraduate degree!

Miffytastic · 08/01/2016 22:12

I know multi I have been trying think long term... as in giving myself a year to find a job, but I'm just not sure there are the research only posts around anymore, compared to 11 years ago when I moved into uni research from the third sector...?

NK5BM3 · 10/01/2016 07:15

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purplepandas · 10/01/2016 09:11

Wishing all luck to those who are trying to find new jobs and work on new things.

murmuration · 11/01/2016 17:17

Hi all! I took a nice long work and internet break. I did almost no work over the holiday, except to remember on Xmas eve that I had never heard back from the journal about the revision extension I requested. There was nothing in my email, but I logged into the journal's system and found they had changed the due date to what I had requested. Would have been nice if they had told me!

Oz job sounds exciting NK - any further movement there? How is your health doing?

I'm afraid the new year has already beaten me down with crises - and I learned the person who made the mistake that took most of my few weeks before Xmas actually was so convinced it was no big deal that they were the ones who ended up pushing it to the Dean's attention and thus resulted in lots of extra work for me. Not thrilled.

Anyway, what I meant to say was to try to offer a bit of good cheer to those down in the dumps, if we can manage to rustle up some!

NK5BM3 · 11/01/2016 20:53

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Miffytastic · 18/01/2016 12:38

Ah bugger, sorry NK Flowers

NK5BM3 · 18/01/2016 13:01

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murmuration · 18/01/2016 13:14

Aw, sorry NK. You had to be close for them to fly you out there. And at that stage it's not necessarily about 'better' but more about fit - perhaps a few more people were able to immediately think of how their research could benefit from another candidate's work compared to yours.

I had a good talk with my Director of Teaching, and am less inclined to tell everyone I want to drop first year immediately :) He was very concerned that I take care of my health, and as we have several senior teaching staff out or limited in contribution (one new job elsewhere, one major surgery, and two with close family in final stages of terminal illness), I can see why. Of course, this will now make me feel guilty if I leave it -- but I need to make sure I do what's best for me. I've been obbessively counting my hours, and I am going to count up how much time I spent on first year compared to other teaching, and compared to research (and also put the major crisis as its own item, as I'm sure I spent at least 20 hrs on it), and have a talk with my mentor. Of course, I need to sort all the immediate deadlines first!

murmuration · 18/01/2016 13:14

The boss there, or the boss here?

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purplepandas · 18/01/2016 19:54

Sorry to hear that NK but that does sound like a possible blessing in disguise as you say.

Sounds like a productive chat murmur.

Trying to get a grant written but time is extra short with marking appearing tomorrow. Agh!

NK5BM3 · 18/01/2016 21:49

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NeverEverAnythingEver · 19/01/2016 12:20

Exam setting. Sad

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murmuration · 19/01/2016 21:35

Ugh, does anyone else ever get pushback from partners about dealing the demands of an academic position? I'm feeling quite terrible at the moment - I've managed to be ill my whole time back so far, bouncing from one ailment to another (right now have a UTI in final stages and now I've developed a sore throat and bad cough - no end in sight!). I've got a lot to do, deadlines next week, and I'm also getting frowny faces from DH about my working. I really don't need that.

Yes, I know I didn't need to volunteer to be on a grant panel, but I did and it's good for my career. And almost everything I do is something that I don't absolutely 'have to'. Grants I write, papers I submit, and so on. Heck, even first year - I could get out of that if I asked. I'm struggling to fit everything into 40-45 hrs a week, and I may miss this week, and perhaps have to work over the weekend. And I'm getting grumpiness from DH because I chose to work from home in order to get another hour of work out of the day - I'd normally leave the office around 5:15-5:30pm and get home at 6-6:15pm - and he seems to think that because I'm home I can 'take over' with DD at 5pm, 15 minutes before the earliest I would have stopped working had I been the office! No, I didn't stay home to work less, I stayed home to work more.

And it's all worse as it's not like I can say 'my boss made me', because I'm the one who took on responsibilities that I now have to meet. So it makes me feel guilty. And I hate struggling to do all this, and now I'm getting this dissapproval. Argh. Sorry for the rant.

NK5BM3 · 20/01/2016 19:02

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NeverEverAnythingEver · 21/01/2016 09:51

"And it's all worse as it's not like I can say 'my boss made me'"

YY. Sometimes I wonder why I can't say "well, I'm working late to write this paper BECAUSE I LOVE MY RESEARCH".

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