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Why Gaza?

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Mixymaxymoxy · Yesterday 21:27

There are several atrocities happening in the world that could be described as genocides. Sudan, DCR, Rohingya in Myanmar, Yazidi in Iraq,

why has the Gaza / Palestinian cause motivated young people in the west more than any of the above ?

if you are a protester, how do to decide which cause to protest about ? If your children are protesting, why do you think they chose this one ?

I’m 54 and was not politically active when I was younger. I’m seeing the protests in France and elsewhere and wondering why Gaza so much part of the protests?

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BerryTwister · Today 00:25

fanumb · Yesterday 21:55

I just don’t understand this. I know nothing about Jewish culture. I’m from a rural area in Wales, I don’t think I’ve ever even met a Jewish person to my knowledge, the only thing I have ever learned about Jewish history is via the national curriculum and WW2 which is of course abhorrent and caused nothing but sympathy and confusion from me. The very frank truth is I have no opinion of Jewish people, I don’t think about them, I don’t know anything about them, but what is happening in that region shocks me. I think what has happened in Gaza is awful, I don’t understand the politics but I also don’t understand why it’s “political” or “antisemitic” to be shocked by what is happening in Gaza with such little push back from the west? I was also of course shocked and horrified by October 7th. The whole thing seems to be an absolute cluster fuck, but I can’t help but repeatedly be shocked by the actions of Israel/Netanyu, surely no one thinks he’s a good person? I really, really don’t think I am anti Semitic in any way.

This is exactly how I feel. I have similar total lack of experience and knowledge of Jewish people. I’ve never lived anywhere with a high Jewish population. I’ve never seen a synagogue. The only “teaching“ I’ve ever had relating to Jewish people is the WW2 horror. How can I be antisemitic? I just know that genocide is awful.

TIDMum · Today 00:36

Pinkissmart · Yesterday 23:15

Is it?
I 100% think there should be a Jewish homeland. I also believe that the Israeli government is committing genocide.

Can you explain how you have concluded that Israel is committing genocide, or are you relying on opinions from SM?

Have you researched the legal definition of genocide, particularly the requirement to establish specific intent to destroy a protected group, in whole or in part?

Have you studied independent military analyses of how the IDF conducted the war, Israel’s stated military objectives, Hamas’s stated aims and conduct, its use of tunnels and civilian infrastructure and public statement that it 'needs the blood of Palestinians to fire the resistance'? Have you considered how these factors affect the assessment of individual attacks, civilian casualties, proportionality and military necessity?

Have you also examined evidence that challenges the genocide allegation? For example, warnings to evacuate, humanitarian corridors, facilitation of food, shelter, medical supplies, water, power and fuel, ceasing operations for vaccination programs and other humanitarian purposes, medical evacuations etc.

What scrutiny have you applied to the impartiality and methodology of the UN bodies and NGOs whose reports you rely on? Have you investigated their funding, affiliations, access to Gaza, source verification and treatment of contradictory evidence? There have been serious controversies over the impartiality of UN officials, including Francesca Albanese; how do you account for those concerns?

Have you investigated the cancellation of the agreed ICC 'on the ground' fact-finding mission in Gaza on the SAME day ICC staff were due to arrive in Israel?

Have you looked into who funds pro-Palestinian NGOs operating in Israel, what those organisations do, and whether their funding affects the reliability of their specific findings?

Does your conclusion comes from weighing the full evidence, including evidence that challenges your view, and applying the legal test yourself, or whether you have accepted a conclusion because SM said so?

If I hadn't done the above, I wouldn't be so embarrassingly ignorant as to hold an opinion but I have, so mine is the opposite of yours.

Flomingho · Today 00:43

bozo123 · Yesterday 21:45

You think civil war in Africa has nothing to do with the West? What about colonialism and Empire, and men in Europe drawing lines on maps with rulers? A history of the world in 47 borders is a great book. So is the poisonwood bible.

Agree with this, most of the world's problems have been caused by the West poking their nose in where it's not wanted or needed. Colonialism and the Empire was at the root of this.

With the Israel /Gaza conflict, it is possible to have sympathy with both sides. Many Jewish people are appalled by the actions of Netanyahu and the Israel's government and the treatment of the Palestinian people. However, the events of October 7 were just as evil. As with any conflict , the innocent people on both sides are the victims and lives are destroyed.

TIDMum · Today 00:45

BerryTwister · Today 00:25

This is exactly how I feel. I have similar total lack of experience and knowledge of Jewish people. I’ve never lived anywhere with a high Jewish population. I’ve never seen a synagogue. The only “teaching“ I’ve ever had relating to Jewish people is the WW2 horror. How can I be antisemitic? I just know that genocide is awful.

I would assume you also have a corresponding lack of experience and knowledge of Israel, Gaza, the West Bank, Palestinan terrorism and terrorist groups, Palestinian ideology, all the wars started against Israel, what happened on Oct 7th, what genocide is, what propaganda is, etc?

Have there been/are there any other conflicts around the world that you have taken a particular interest in, and proclaimed as 'genocide', before this one?

Anyahyacinth · Today 01:20

Most of the people protesting about Gaza also post and protest about events in other parts of the world.

Anyahyacinth · Today 01:25

TIDMum · Today 00:36

Can you explain how you have concluded that Israel is committing genocide, or are you relying on opinions from SM?

Have you researched the legal definition of genocide, particularly the requirement to establish specific intent to destroy a protected group, in whole or in part?

Have you studied independent military analyses of how the IDF conducted the war, Israel’s stated military objectives, Hamas’s stated aims and conduct, its use of tunnels and civilian infrastructure and public statement that it 'needs the blood of Palestinians to fire the resistance'? Have you considered how these factors affect the assessment of individual attacks, civilian casualties, proportionality and military necessity?

Have you also examined evidence that challenges the genocide allegation? For example, warnings to evacuate, humanitarian corridors, facilitation of food, shelter, medical supplies, water, power and fuel, ceasing operations for vaccination programs and other humanitarian purposes, medical evacuations etc.

What scrutiny have you applied to the impartiality and methodology of the UN bodies and NGOs whose reports you rely on? Have you investigated their funding, affiliations, access to Gaza, source verification and treatment of contradictory evidence? There have been serious controversies over the impartiality of UN officials, including Francesca Albanese; how do you account for those concerns?

Have you investigated the cancellation of the agreed ICC 'on the ground' fact-finding mission in Gaza on the SAME day ICC staff were due to arrive in Israel?

Have you looked into who funds pro-Palestinian NGOs operating in Israel, what those organisations do, and whether their funding affects the reliability of their specific findings?

Does your conclusion comes from weighing the full evidence, including evidence that challenges your view, and applying the legal test yourself, or whether you have accepted a conclusion because SM said so?

If I hadn't done the above, I wouldn't be so embarrassingly ignorant as to hold an opinion but I have, so mine is the opposite of yours.

The countless genocide scholars? Who have concluded this is a genocide publishing reports to that effect. Countless human rights NGOs in Israel and across the world. A case before ICC sponsored by several governments?

There is a huge authorative list of respected people / Jewish genocide scholars / human rights organisations concluding this is genocide.

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