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Tell me about the cultural touchstones that have shaped your sense of Englishness

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BornAtTheEndofBrightonPier · 09/10/2026 20:10

Or Scottishness, Welshness or Northern Irishness, if you're from one of the other nations of the UK (I'd love to steal Under Milk Wood from the Welsh MNs, but I can't do that!)

I have a few:

  • Squeezing myself headfirst through the hole in the Mên-an-Tol in Cornwall, while the woman whose garden it stood in assured me I’d be blessed with good health for the rest of my life. I think it was 1991, when I was five.
  • Exploring Bronze Age tumuli (burial mounds)
  • Turner paintings that capture movement and light
  • Thomas Hardy's heroines, like Tess Durbeyfield and Bathsheba Everdene
  • The excitement of being a child at the back of the car and driving through a ford
  • Organ music in church (particularly when it's Bach)
  • Georgian architecture of Bath
  • David Hockney
  • The novels of Graham Greene
  • The 1948 film of Brighton Rock starring Richard Attenborough (I'm from Brighton, so this is an extra special one for me)
  • The novels of Evelyn Waugh
  • Paradise Lost by John Milton
  • Watching the 1946 version of Great Expectations on Christmas Eve
  • M. R. James's ghost stories
  • Hadrian's Wall and Sycamore Gap (RIP 😢)
  • Glastonbury Tor
  • Noggin the Nog (the cartoon Viking, repeated on TV in the early 90s)
  • Maid Marian (the kids' TV show)
  • Narnia
  • Swimming around the arch of Durdle Door
  • The League of Gentlemen
  • Alan Partridge (even though I can't stand SC)
  • Folk rock like Fairport Convention and Steeleye Span
  • The Beatles
  • Roxy Music
  • David Bowie
  • "All the Young Dudes"
  • All pubs with character, both town and country
  • Just William stories
  • Powell and Pressburger films
  • Walking through Kemp Town in Brighton just as a sea fret rolls in
  • The illustrations and stories of Beatrix Potter
  • Beatrix Potter's house in Cumbria
  • Brighton Museum and Art Gallery
  • White horses carved into hillsides
  • Wuthering Heights
  • Lewes Bonfire Night
  • The Burning of the Clocks in Brighton for the winter solstice
  • The film Lawrence of Arabia

I couldn't sleep last night, and these came to mind. I'd love to hear other people's lists.

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JackieMac77 · 10/10/2026 08:43

Everyone dancing and singing along to "Hi Ho Silver Lining" for the last song at every football club disco

FluffyCloudsOverhead · 10/10/2026 08:48

Trappedinthecastofawhodunnit · 10/10/2026 04:06

Couldn’t agree more!

Also agree. The OP’s replies to this poster changed this thread from something benign and positive into something unpleasantly British, ignorance or denial of the complex and often troubling history of Britain and Britishness, especially with regards to Ireland.

Poppy61 · 10/10/2026 09:00

BornAtTheEndofBrightonPier · 09/10/2026 20:10

Or Scottishness, Welshness or Northern Irishness, if you're from one of the other nations of the UK (I'd love to steal Under Milk Wood from the Welsh MNs, but I can't do that!)

I have a few:

  • Squeezing myself headfirst through the hole in the Mên-an-Tol in Cornwall, while the woman whose garden it stood in assured me I’d be blessed with good health for the rest of my life. I think it was 1991, when I was five.
  • Exploring Bronze Age tumuli (burial mounds)
  • Turner paintings that capture movement and light
  • Thomas Hardy's heroines, like Tess Durbeyfield and Bathsheba Everdene
  • The excitement of being a child at the back of the car and driving through a ford
  • Organ music in church (particularly when it's Bach)
  • Georgian architecture of Bath
  • David Hockney
  • The novels of Graham Greene
  • The 1948 film of Brighton Rock starring Richard Attenborough (I'm from Brighton, so this is an extra special one for me)
  • The novels of Evelyn Waugh
  • Paradise Lost by John Milton
  • Watching the 1946 version of Great Expectations on Christmas Eve
  • M. R. James's ghost stories
  • Hadrian's Wall and Sycamore Gap (RIP 😢)
  • Glastonbury Tor
  • Noggin the Nog (the cartoon Viking, repeated on TV in the early 90s)
  • Maid Marian (the kids' TV show)
  • Narnia
  • Swimming around the arch of Durdle Door
  • The League of Gentlemen
  • Alan Partridge (even though I can't stand SC)
  • Folk rock like Fairport Convention and Steeleye Span
  • The Beatles
  • Roxy Music
  • David Bowie
  • "All the Young Dudes"
  • All pubs with character, both town and country
  • Just William stories
  • Powell and Pressburger films
  • Walking through Kemp Town in Brighton just as a sea fret rolls in
  • The illustrations and stories of Beatrix Potter
  • Beatrix Potter's house in Cumbria
  • Brighton Museum and Art Gallery
  • White horses carved into hillsides
  • Wuthering Heights
  • Lewes Bonfire Night
  • The Burning of the Clocks in Brighton for the winter solstice
  • The film Lawrence of Arabia

I couldn't sleep last night, and these came to mind. I'd love to hear other people's lists.

You've nailed it OP. And being a member of the National Trust, which I suspect you may be?! I adore going to the hillfort at Cissbury Ring.

BornAtTheEndofBrightonPier · 10/10/2026 09:10

iloveanearlynight · 10/10/2026 06:21

Tedious and done to death. (The jam/cream first.) I can't believe people still think it's funny. I could scream every time I hear it. NOBODY CARES. Eat it however you prefer.

Morning sunshine.

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BornAtTheEndofBrightonPier · 10/10/2026 09:20

Poppy61 · 10/10/2026 09:00

You've nailed it OP. And being a member of the National Trust, which I suspect you may be?! I adore going to the hillfort at Cissbury Ring.

I'm not actually, I probably should be though. Not my DC is three it's the perfect time for us to explore these places.

Basically, my list is very much influenced by two factors. My dad is a history teacher, trained field archeologist and children's book writer (of history books). And our holidays were always England based (once got to the Welsh border) because I have a profoundly autistic older brother with high special needs, so going abroad would not have worked from a practical perspective.

And yes to ordinance survey maps! My dad is obsessed with them - along with pillboxes, dragon's teeth and hedgehogs (IYKYK)

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BornAtTheEndofBrightonPier · 10/10/2026 09:24

FluffyCloudsOverhead · 10/10/2026 08:48

Also agree. The OP’s replies to this poster changed this thread from something benign and positive into something unpleasantly British, ignorance or denial of the complex and often troubling history of Britain and Britishness, especially with regards to Ireland.

I did do a module in Northern Irish history at university (UoB), It was a mixed bad with war crimes on ALL sides. Doesn't change the fact that the IRA are vile misogynistic, racist thugs. That is why they a cut from the same cloth as the Houthis.

And what about the PPs own response, nothing to say about his blatant xenophobia and generalisation of the English? That is acceptable to you is it?

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DorsetKnobBiscuit · 10/10/2026 10:03

Salisbury Cathedral seen across the fields.
The castles and beaches of Northumberland
Red phone boxes on village green
Poppies falling at the Albert Hall and The Last Post played at a thousand village war memorials.
Scouts racing rafts
Camping in the rain
Local food (see user name)
London Fashion Week
Mudlarking
Detectorists moving slowly across ploughed fields
Time Team on Sunday tea time
Trifle

OffTheMap · 10/10/2026 10:15

BornAtTheEndofBrightonPier · 10/10/2026 09:24

I did do a module in Northern Irish history at university (UoB), It was a mixed bad with war crimes on ALL sides. Doesn't change the fact that the IRA are vile misogynistic, racist thugs. That is why they a cut from the same cloth as the Houthis.

And what about the PPs own response, nothing to say about his blatant xenophobia and generalisation of the English? That is acceptable to you is it?

Edited

MozzieFreeZone, at your invitation, gave her experience of what shaped her notion of/ identity of being Irish.
And an experience that influenced her notion of English, presumably.

Just that - she recounted her experience as a child growing up in Northern Ireland

You responded as if she had referenced the IRA rather than British troops, saying ‘solidarity’

She corrected you to say in her post she was referencing British soldiers.

You then made a nasty post saying people were too sensitive about their own history

You have told an Irish woman how she should feel, argued back politically in a way that no other posts have been targeted, and been high handed with your in depth knowledge of NI history based one your course module.

Trappedinthecastofawhodunnit · 10/10/2026 10:16

BornAtTheEndofBrightonPier · 10/10/2026 09:24

I did do a module in Northern Irish history at university (UoB), It was a mixed bad with war crimes on ALL sides. Doesn't change the fact that the IRA are vile misogynistic, racist thugs. That is why they a cut from the same cloth as the Houthis.

And what about the PPs own response, nothing to say about his blatant xenophobia and generalisation of the English? That is acceptable to you is it?

Edited

I'd say when you only mention terrorists from one side - that speaks volumes.

FluffyCloudsOverhead · 10/10/2026 10:41

This reply has been deleted

Post withdrawn at author's request

But what @MozzieFreeZonesaid is true. British soldiers did intimidate and disrupt the lives of innocent citizens in NI (and worse). It happened to many, many people.
And as PP says, it’s baffling that you seem unaware of there having been Unionist terrorism as well as Republican.
You also don’t seem to appreciate that ordinary people were not terrorists and it’s incredibly offensive to imply otherwise.

There are so many lovely things on this thread and British habits and quirks to be proud of, but your Anglo-centric and ill-informed attitude towards someone from NI is a sad reminder of what many Britons today are ashamed of, a cruel colonial past that treated people who were different to them abhorrently.

EscCtrl · 10/10/2026 11:01

Middlemarch
The Sweeney
Cox's orange pippins
loose leaf red label tea
pubs
folk festivals
getting drunk on cider
June Tabor
ancient oak woodlands of the North Downs on the Pilgrims' Way
canals
graveyards
memorial plaques on benches
deckchairs and windbreaks at the seaside ("days out")
fish and chips
full English breakfast
Sunday roast
Up (1964-2026 documentary series)
Metro-land (Betjeman documentary)
Blake's 7
Abigail's Party
Only Connect (the TV quiz, not the novel)
Kew Gardens (all the wonderful parks)
Hilary Mantel
Virginia Woolf
Rudyard Kipling
TS Eliot
The National Gallery, Tate Modern (all the museums & galleries)
Barbara Hepworth
Maggi Hambling
the English language, the OED
William Blake
Shakespeare
the sense of humour
Absolutely Fabulous
Kenneth Williams
Les Dawson
Monty Python
Peep Show
Private Eye
Poly Styrene
Kate Bush
Kirsty MacColl
The Kinks
The Smiths
The Jam
Pulp

EscCtrl · 10/10/2026 11:25

distinctpossibility · 10/10/2026 06:49

The "nausea, heartburn, indigestion" song from Pepto Bismol.

"Di-arrhoeaaaa", in a Welsh accent, with hand-to-bum coreography. 😂

BornAtTheEndofBrightonPier · 10/10/2026 12:16

@OffTheMap
@Trappedinthecastofawhodunnit
@FluffyCloudsOverhead

As I have already pointed out, I think the conflict is a mixed bag. In the case of Bloody Sunday, for example, I think it was born out of the Parachute Regiment having this tough ethos - they were the wrong type of unit to be using for that type of job. The British army put a lot of effort into gathering intelligence from the 1970s onwards, there was a General called Frank Kitson who worked on counter insurgency doctrine and realised counter insurgency is really difficult for conventional armies to fight as it often makes things worse, so you need an approach based on intelligence and infiltrating agents. So really I would say the army evolved over time so that the Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) did more riot control, while the army gathered intelligence and used special forces more, while ordinary infantry did a lot of patrolling and manning road blocks. There’s a lot of secret stuff that’s not really known and accusations of collusion with loyalist paramilitaries but overall I think the army did a fairly decent job in difficult circumstances, unfortunately to the the extent it made them overconfident they could manage community relations in Iraq in 2003 (at least that’s what they said officially, whether anyone actually believed it probably not).

I think also the Republicans have very much “won the peace” and did very well out of prisoner release schemes as part of the Good Friday Agreement and have a large amount of international sympathy, especially from the post colonial lot, particularly on MN (👋🏼)- so they can impose their narrative in a way other parties can’t. And now we’ve got a whole generation too young to have lived through the troubles who listen to Kneecap and thinks it’s all just great craic. That's what I massively object to.

Also this is just a minor point. Two of my grandparents were born on the Island of Ireland (I'm still 100% English, spiritually speaking). So I have looked at it from many different angles, I still come to the same conclusion.

The British were far from blameless, and there were serious failures and things that still need properly accounting for. But I don't think that makes the IRA's campaign any more justified, nor does it mean the British Army's entire role should be reduced to the worst things it did. The history is complicated; the moral accounting shouldn't be selective.

OP posts:
BornAtTheEndofBrightonPier · 10/10/2026 12:19

EscCtrl · 10/10/2026 11:01

Middlemarch
The Sweeney
Cox's orange pippins
loose leaf red label tea
pubs
folk festivals
getting drunk on cider
June Tabor
ancient oak woodlands of the North Downs on the Pilgrims' Way
canals
graveyards
memorial plaques on benches
deckchairs and windbreaks at the seaside ("days out")
fish and chips
full English breakfast
Sunday roast
Up (1964-2026 documentary series)
Metro-land (Betjeman documentary)
Blake's 7
Abigail's Party
Only Connect (the TV quiz, not the novel)
Kew Gardens (all the wonderful parks)
Hilary Mantel
Virginia Woolf
Rudyard Kipling
TS Eliot
The National Gallery, Tate Modern (all the museums & galleries)
Barbara Hepworth
Maggi Hambling
the English language, the OED
William Blake
Shakespeare
the sense of humour
Absolutely Fabulous
Kenneth Williams
Les Dawson
Monty Python
Peep Show
Private Eye
Poly Styrene
Kate Bush
Kirsty MacColl
The Kinks
The Smiths
The Jam
Pulp

So many great ones here.

I should have had William Blake and Jerusalem on my original list. I completely forgot...

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Chatterlyssecret · 10/10/2026 12:24

The fact that my grandfathers going back in time all fought for our country in wars makes me feel I belong here.

OffTheMap · 10/10/2026 13:19

BornAtTheEndofBrightonPier · 10/10/2026 12:16

@OffTheMap
@Trappedinthecastofawhodunnit
@FluffyCloudsOverhead

As I have already pointed out, I think the conflict is a mixed bag. In the case of Bloody Sunday, for example, I think it was born out of the Parachute Regiment having this tough ethos - they were the wrong type of unit to be using for that type of job. The British army put a lot of effort into gathering intelligence from the 1970s onwards, there was a General called Frank Kitson who worked on counter insurgency doctrine and realised counter insurgency is really difficult for conventional armies to fight as it often makes things worse, so you need an approach based on intelligence and infiltrating agents. So really I would say the army evolved over time so that the Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) did more riot control, while the army gathered intelligence and used special forces more, while ordinary infantry did a lot of patrolling and manning road blocks. There’s a lot of secret stuff that’s not really known and accusations of collusion with loyalist paramilitaries but overall I think the army did a fairly decent job in difficult circumstances, unfortunately to the the extent it made them overconfident they could manage community relations in Iraq in 2003 (at least that’s what they said officially, whether anyone actually believed it probably not).

I think also the Republicans have very much “won the peace” and did very well out of prisoner release schemes as part of the Good Friday Agreement and have a large amount of international sympathy, especially from the post colonial lot, particularly on MN (👋🏼)- so they can impose their narrative in a way other parties can’t. And now we’ve got a whole generation too young to have lived through the troubles who listen to Kneecap and thinks it’s all just great craic. That's what I massively object to.

Also this is just a minor point. Two of my grandparents were born on the Island of Ireland (I'm still 100% English, spiritually speaking). So I have looked at it from many different angles, I still come to the same conclusion.

The British were far from blameless, and there were serious failures and things that still need properly accounting for. But I don't think that makes the IRA's campaign any more justified, nor does it mean the British Army's entire role should be reduced to the worst things it did. The history is complicated; the moral accounting shouldn't be selective.

All of which is entirely irrelevant to the subjective experiences that one poster, at your invitation, said shaped their cultural identity.

Genevieva · 10/10/2026 15:37

Blackberry and damson scrumping.

Ariana12 · 10/10/2026 18:06

Inextremis · 09/10/2026 20:29

Haworth
Scarborough
Lindisfarne/Holy Island
The Palace Pier (as it used to be called)
Hove Lions Day
Carry On films
J.R.R. Tolkien
Shakespeare
Scones with jam and cream
A proper cup of tea
Passport to Pimlico
Morecambe and Wise
Ditchling, and the view from the Beacon, ditto the Dyke
St. Mary's Lighthouse (and island) in Northumberland
Beans on toast
Handel - especially the Water Music
Jerusalem (the hymn, not the place!)
Victoria Sponge
Old money - £, s and d :)
Wet Christmases, rather than white ones
The smell of a proper pub, circa 1980

What if almost everything on everyone's lists really resonates with you - except for the folksongs- sorry - but you weren't born here and your parents weren't English??

hotmumshit · 10/10/2026 18:09

Choc ices
Summers on my estate, playing with the kids, running in and out of eachothers houses
EastEnders
The British sea side and savaloy and chips
The pub
The world cups

TheGander · 10/10/2026 18:22

Making a point of heading out to find bluebells every April. English bluebells, obviously. Full English breakfast.

CadiFfan · 10/10/2026 18:31

speaking welsh, can go for days without speaking English

Going to school on St Davids day dressed as a welsh lady

singing hen wlad fy nhadau at a wales football match

daffodils

calon lan

cornflakecrunchie · 10/10/2026 18:47

Oh, some lovely ideas!
Poppies, 'phone boxes etc, Nimrod.. wonderful.
My main 'England' picture is cricket in front of Bamburgh Castle, & a paddle in the sea..

dizzydizzydizzy · 10/10/2026 18:51

Think mine is all food-based

roast dinner
mince pies
Marmite
Chocolate Digestives
Jaffa Cakes
Cheddar
Stilton
curry
tea
Marmalade

CadiFfan · 10/10/2026 18:59

cornflakecrunchie · 10/10/2026 18:47

Oh, some lovely ideas!
Poppies, 'phone boxes etc, Nimrod.. wonderful.
My main 'England' picture is cricket in front of Bamburgh Castle, & a paddle in the sea..

I love Elgar, screams British forces!

and Jerusalem.

Surelynotpeter · 10/10/2026 19:09

Britishness from the pov of a British asian:

  • Eating rock at Brighton
  • Greasy chips out of newspaper
  • Eastenders in the 90s - Peggy's 'get out of my pub!'
  • Bitter cold in winter, seeing your breath
  • Feeding ducks
  • Crumpets with lots of butter
  • Strawberry picking
  • Childhood memories of stacking up the bowl at the salad bar at pizza hut, filled with cigarette smoke
  • hot hot Greggs pasties in the back of a car
  • service station stops when visiting relatives across the country
  • custard
  • angel delight
  • school toilets with their weirdly glittery floors and crap paper
  • school puddings - those sheet cakes with pink frosting
  • WKD
  • grime music
  • the tube
  • red double decker buses
  • narrow country lanes