Jeffery Archer - which other ex prisoners get full on praise by the RF upon death or are some crimes more forgiveable than others?

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So JA has died and the queen is fulsome in her praise. I suppose thr question is does not a jail sentence remove you from a state of grace in society? There are other celebs that have fallen foul of the law and will not be spoken of with praise again so how are these decisions made?

Wasn't that for a non violent crime? Not justifying perjury, but I'd prefer prisons to be full of those who physically attack people. Some of them don't even go to prison. So if he paid the penalty for that, and did things people view positively, for example a lot of people like his books, then on balance that is a good life, no?

He served his sentence and lost his political career. I can't imagine many tears were shed by the Royal Family over his particular crime, given the treatment they've had at the hands of the press.

The crime was a long time ago and he was jailed for it. It’s now spent and he was rehabilitated- surely the aim of many a prison sentence.

He was jailed for perjury, lying in court after fabricating an alibi over allegations that he visited a prostitute.
Some in similar positions devoted their lives to charity, or tried to redeem themselves in some way.
He didn’t. Vile man.

Fine, but why the fulsome praise from the Queen?

I don’t know anything about JA, but to insist someone is irredeemably vile because they committed a crime and went to jail is simply bonkers.

you may have people you deem to be perfectly lovely, friends even, and they are committing crimes but are simply not caught. You are none the wiser.

yes of course many criminals are vile, throw away the key types, but that doesn’t negate my point.

He was an auctioneer for around 1000 charity auctions, which raised about £48 million. Is that enough to redeem him?

Because he was her friend perhaps?

He’s not even cold - he wasn’t exactly Ronnie Krause

Kraft

Doesn’t like Kray at all!

His crime was in 1987 (the trial was 2001). How long are criminals supposed to be vilified for aftet they've done their time?

He was a supporter of the Queen's Reading Rooms, a charity aiming to encourage lifelong reading, which is why the Queen was obliged to put something out. I didn't think it was particularly "fulsome praise".

Just a reminder of that vile man.

‘Following the 1987 trial, Monica Coghlan’s life was completely ruined by the brutal publicity, social stigma, and public vilification. She received minimal financial compensation from the media while bearing the brunt of being labeled a liar on a national stage.
The truth finally emerged 12 years later in November 1999, when Ted Francis confessed to the News of the World that Archer had put him up to perjuring himself. Archer was forced to resign from his London mayoral campaign and was ultimately tried at the Old Bailey in 2001. He was found guilty and sentenced to four years in prison for perjury and perverting the course of justice.
Tragically, Monica Coghlan never lived to see Archer go to jail. Just weeks before his 2001 trial concluded, she was killed in a car crash.’

he was allowed to keep his title and position in the house of lords, and all the perks and privileges it comes with after being convicted

what a joke

Agree with others that he was pretty vile

It was just a thought about what crimes mean your reputation is essentially utterly destroyed and your name is rarely mentioned except in disgust. Rolf Harris and Paul Gadd spring to mind and I guess their criminality is of an order that it would be expected.

Have you heard of Nelson Mandela?

Jeffrey Archer did some pretty reprehensible things but Kane and Abel is a very readable book, despite not being very high brow. I thought it was great!

Because he has more than one side to him. I've not read any of his books but he's sold nearly 300 million so a lot of people have.

He acted as an auctioneer at charity auctions?! Hope he enjoyed the champagne receptions afterwards.
The man is a veritable saint!

And Gary Glitter had some smash hits. Your point is what?

I’m pretty sure he was a good man jailed by an evil regime. I think you need to note the difference.

A new means to the phrase ‘At Her Majesty’s Pleasure’? 😀

Ffs are you the same posters who think Camilla should just disappear because she’s Not Diana? This is nothing to do with Jeff, it’s just a thinly veiled attempt to make QC look bad again. 🙄

He was a criminal, a fraudster and a perjurer. He defrauded and charity.

Which charity? If you mean the Red Cross, they themselves said he had no involvement that. He had however raised most of the money. He was never tried, let alone found guilty.

I don't doubt he wasn't a particularly nice man, but I'm not sure what about him makes him quite so awful in the scheme of dreadful men.