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Crisis What Crisis? Is my friend over doing the stockpiling and am I too? Continuation thread (2)

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RedToothBrush · 03/10/2026 22:25

Continuation of the AIBU to think my friend is overdoing emergency stockpiling thread for discussion about the government advice to stockpile for an imminent emergency and what the heck that emergency might actually be.

I'm moving it over to chat from AIBU as it makes a bit more sense to be there at this point.

Previous thread
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5576816-aibu-to-think-my-friend-is-overdoing-emergency-stockpiling?page=1

Spoiler: it's more of a perfect storm of lots of factors coming together to potentially form one great clusterfuck from economic woes, global energy shortages (mainly diesel), potential food shortages, war and madmen to crazy weather patterns rather than a clear identifiable singular thread.

This is a practical thread and a bit of a handhold thread to make sense of events and how they may affect you. This is not an end of the world thread.

We are however going through a period where various governments throughout Europe think there is an elevated risk of some kind of problem due to global instability and we should start to get our heads around the possibility of needing to be ready for anything.

Remember an emergency can range from a temporary unexpected event to a much longer crisis but the underlying principles generally stay the same.

So this is for everything from tips and considerations about what might be a good idea to do /save minimise potential risks to just straight old political bollocks talk about how things are developing.

This is the official government information and advice, if you want further details on what the actual recommendations are:
https://prepare.campaign.gov.uk/get-prepared-for-emergencies/

This does actually explicitly say to write a personalised plan for your household which everyone knows and understands and to talk about the issues you may face to help you be able mobilise for any situation which might arise. Which is exactly what this thread is ultimately for.

Get prepared for emergencies - Prepare

How to get informed and put a plan in place to prepare if an emergency comes to you in your area.

https://prepare.campaign.gov.uk/get-prepared-for-emergencies

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HoraceCope · 19/10/2026 09:08

threats being raised again on radio 4, same as a few days ago

FindingMeno · 19/10/2026 10:32

OhYouBadBadKitten · 19/10/2026 08:45

While musing over my medical supplies I thought about first aid and the greater likelihood of things like burns and injuries from trips if the power goes out in winter. If you arent a confident trained first aider, then a book on first aid would be a good shout.

Yes, you're right. An up to date first aid book is a very good idea ( I still keep one although I've done a gazillion first aid courses)
I've got a very good first aid and otc medication supply but I have recently added burns gel, burns dressing, and trauma dressings ( army field dressing type)
I also have a list inside the cupboard door stating what's in the actual first aid kit, so we're not wondering whether it contains eye wash or not!

GentleSheep · 19/10/2026 11:14

I added more burns-related items as well considering that type of accident is more likely. I do have a first aid book somewhere...better find it I guess!

GentleSheep · 19/10/2026 12:01

So here's something I have just found works a treat. I've an old DAB radio that works perfectly well and runs on batteries. However all the buttons and knobs which are made of a kind of rubber have gone sticky (I bought it back in 2008). I despaired a bit then asked Google AI if there is a fix. Yes, there is! Use some isopropyl alcohol (I had some) with cotton wool buds and it will remove the top sticky layer immediately. Just done it and it's great! Now I need to do the same on my Duronic radio which has also gone sticky.

Hopefully of some use to someone!

HeckYeah · 19/10/2026 12:20

PriorPreparation · 18/10/2026 20:41

Wow the thread that keeps on giving !
I use a mini chopper to turn mushrooms into mini flakes and put it in Bolognese i never knew you can get mushroom powder !

I use it all the time!

www.amazon.co.uk/Lee-Kum-Kee-Mushroom-Seasoning/dp/B09MSX2TM8

HoraceCope · 19/10/2026 12:47

@GentleSheep is that like nail varnish remover?
i had to clean my old video player with that.

GentleSheep · 19/10/2026 12:59

HoraceCope · 19/10/2026 12:47

@GentleSheep is that like nail varnish remover?
i had to clean my old video player with that.

No they're not the same (nail varnish remover is acetone) and you shouldn't use it for the purpose I described. It could warp or discolour the rubber.

GameOfJones · 19/10/2026 13:13

I was watching a YouTuber last night that I often watch....she makes content about frugal family life and living sustainably and even she said that she has never kept a stock of food in/prepped but has decided to put some money aside each week and had built a little stockpile.

She had bought some things like extra medicine, gas for her camping stove (and a bottle of vodka for sterilising or drinking!) but the main bulk of it was food and water. I thought her approach was interesting because she had basically built a week's meal plan of food that her family would happily eat. Porridge made with long life milk and raisins for breakfast, tins of soup with crackers for lunch, pasta and pesto for dinner, biscuits and nuts for snacks, flour and salt and sugar for baking etc. She said she would set a reminder for six months time and if she hadn't needed it would spend a week eating all the food and would repurchase with that week's food shop money to replace it and that way it was always ready to go but wouldn't go out of date.

I thought it was an interesting approach as I've done the other way of buying things and using them up gradually but replacing them as I go to constantly rotate. But to avoid anything going off I mainly do it with items we eat regularly so I don't forget about something and it get wasted. Which is fine but it does mean that we would potentially be surviving on a very random mix of stuff rather than thinking about a proper meal plan.

PriorPreparation · 19/10/2026 13:23

OhYouBadBadKitten · 18/10/2026 22:24

An early heads up that some of the solutions that weather models are throwing up show potentially stormy weather into Friday. Worth keeping an eye on.

Thank you .

Iliketulips · 19/10/2026 13:41

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/army-chief-says-politicians-start-105300317.html

Sorry if this has already been discussed further up threat, but I wonder what's going to be put to us. Obviously better to be prepared with everything going on in the world, but still makes me think.

Army chief says politicians to start 'frank conversation' with public to prepare for war

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/army-chief-says-politicians-start-105300317.html

HeckYeah · 19/10/2026 16:14

@GameOfJones It’s a good idea to have a meal plan, especially if you have children I guess. I’m thinking also to consider how much water you’d need for cooking pasta or rice etc.

RedToothBrush · 19/10/2026 17:41

Al Jareeza reporting that the US has carried out strikes on Iran's Konarak Naval Base on the southeastern coast, wounding two Iranian soldiers. It is the first US strike on Iran in nearly 7 weeks.

Your turn Iran...

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GentleSheep · 19/10/2026 17:42

HeckYeah · 19/10/2026 16:14

@GameOfJones It’s a good idea to have a meal plan, especially if you have children I guess. I’m thinking also to consider how much water you’d need for cooking pasta or rice etc.

Can't speak for pasta, but for rice, use the absorption method, here's Gorden Ramsey explaining it better than I could!

FindingMeno · 19/10/2026 18:15

RedToothBrush · 19/10/2026 17:41

Al Jareeza reporting that the US has carried out strikes on Iran's Konarak Naval Base on the southeastern coast, wounding two Iranian soldiers. It is the first US strike on Iran in nearly 7 weeks.

Your turn Iran...

Oh shit.
That's what we knew would be kicking off again.

Electra10E · 19/10/2026 18:26

Natsku · 06/10/2026 07:45

Fucking hell. And people will still support him I bet.

Old news - this was covered when the story broke.

PriorPreparation · 19/10/2026 19:17

Iliketulips · 19/10/2026 13:41

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/army-chief-says-politicians-start-105300317.html

Sorry if this has already been discussed further up threat, but I wonder what's going to be put to us. Obviously better to be prepared with everything going on in the world, but still makes me think.

I heard this and I wasnt sure if it meant war or prepare us for giving more money to the war effort /or rather defence ?

OneElatedBiscuit · 19/10/2026 19:21

Both maybe?

I think start with money from somewhere, no public sector pay rises/ taking money from other budgets first.

MrsPernicious · 19/10/2026 19:28

We must spend more money on defence is quite an open statement.

Should we give the US lots more money for F35s and Patriots, that may or may not be delivered?
Or
Should we invest in a cost efficient, effective selection of drones and other new stuff that increases our defence abilities?

FindingMeno · 19/10/2026 21:54

Seems to me its a double edged sword.
All the rioting in Europe because of the cost of living - and increased spending on defence will put the squeeze on even more.
Rock and a hard place situation.

RedToothBrush · 19/10/2026 22:43

Juliet Samuel (columnist Times) 4days ago
Four/five incidents in 2 weeks on the UK electricity grid. We’re begging France for power. Why are the grid bosses gaslighting us?

Craig Dyke, NESO operations chief, says there is no need to be alarmed because even though it’s called “emergency assistance”, it’s all normal

(In reference to this quote:)
This week NESO issued two requests for Emergency Assistance. While the term can sound alarming, it is an established tool used by our control room and other system operators.

It’s just that suddenly the wind stopped blowing and therefore we were buggered

(In reference to this quote:)
We responded by instructing all the generation the market could make available to the affected area. This included around 400MW of generation and batteries running at full out - the amount we required. However, during this period we saw wind generation reduce quickly, falling by around 20MW every minute. This sudden drop in wind caused system frequency to fall, lower than we'd liked, but it remained within the statutory limit.

Juliet Samuel (columnist Times) Today
It’s official: a legal investigation has found engineers in Britain’s electricity grid control room are stressed because renewables make it so hard to keep the lights on. And when they raise concerns, managers won’t listen - they only want “good news”

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/environment/article/neso-engineers-review-national-grid-blackout-risks-6lqpq03sp
Grid engineers doubt ability to keep lights on in switch to renewables
Staff at Neso are said to have ‘high levels of stress’ and feel bosses ignore concerns because of the need to keep the government happy

Engineers running Britain’s power system have “high levels of stress and concern” about their ability to keep the lights on because of the shift to renewables, an independent report has found.

Staff at the National Energy System Operator (Neso) believe its senior leadership do not understand how the control room works and feel their concerns go “largely unheard” because of the need to keep the government and others happy.

The report by Eversheds Sutherland, a law firm, could not substantiate specific whistleblower allegations about Neso’s handling of the power system during June’s heatwave, but did identify significant “cultural, governance and control issues” at the government-owned body.

These included a “culture of reputational sensitivity affecting operational decision-making”.

Control room staff said Neso should not have claimed the system was “not at risk” on June 23, given that “the system was consistently in breach of operational limits for a number of hours, with operators working around the clock to regain balance”.

The article goes on to talk about whistleblowers saying how close we came to blackouts and how fragile the system is, with issues in September/October which are stable reliable months, giving serious cause for concern.

Reply to Juliet Samuel
Henry Dodds
There is cause for real concern about this. There are scenarios in which some or all of the grid goes dark. Severe space weather could be one trigger, as could the triggering of a hostile EMP device in the upper atmosphere.

If this happens NESO invokes ‘Dark Start’ to bring the grid back online. This was less difficult when you had coal fired power stations but much harder with renewables, not least because some of the control rooms are outside the UK.

It could be very, very bad. And I’m not given to hyperbole.

I've been quietly watching this story because Lucy Easthope has been following it. It's a slow burn of a story and I've been trying to establish just how much people on twitter have been blowing nothing up. This does make it seem like there's real concerns here and a risk profile that doesn't look great for potential blackouts in the near future...

Verifying Device

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/environment/article/neso-engineers-review-national-grid-blackout-risks-6lqpq03sp

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MrsPernicious · 19/10/2026 22:53

Presumably on 23 June the solar power was rather good as it was a heat wave. June is not renowned as being rather windy.

RedToothBrush · 19/10/2026 23:18

Trump rallies getting ugly. He's being heckled and booked by his core as a traitor. This is getting interesting.

Russian media reporting that a "Counter-terrorist" operation underway in Chechnya" Now, this is interesting as Chechnya was where Putin did a false flag in order to gain power and a group of Chechnyans have acted as his personal army (against the national army). This is one to watch out for.

There are rumours about Kim Jong Un being in a coma and not having been seen in public for 8 days. The British tabloid press has picked up on this story, but tbh at the moment I'm inclined to think it's just viral rather than having substance behind it. Just putting here, because it's out there ATM.

Rumours that Albania has turned to Israel to assist with the unrest there with armed military gangs suddenly appearing from nowhere. Netanyahu was saying yesterday that Israel was looking for new allies because he couldn't could on the USA beyond the end of two years. It also looks like the US may have been involved.

Some background. Jared Kushner has just done a deal with the Albanian government. The protests have been about government corruption. Then suddenly these troops with a connection to Israel turn up to support the government and there's apparently US involvement... Nothing to see here...

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RedToothBrush · 19/10/2026 23:29

PriorPreparation · 18/10/2026 20:50

I love mushrooms thank you .

30 kg of radioactive mushrooms were confiscated from a passenger at Domodedovo Airport.

At Domodedovo Airport, a passenger was confiscated a box of dried porcini mushrooms containing radioactive material more than 10 times higher than normal. The Yantar system was triggered during baggage screening, and testing revealed cesium-137.

Customs officers at Moscow's Domodedovo Airport discovered 30 kilograms of radioactive dried porcini mushrooms in a passenger's luggage, the press service of the Federal Customs Service (FCS) of the Russian Federation reported.

A man checked a box of luggage. During an inspection of the box in the basement of the assembly area, the Yantar fixed fissile and radioactive material detection system was activated. Inspectors opened the box and found a loose substance in a factory-sealed cardboard bag. According to the label, it was dried porcini mushrooms produced by a Russian company.

Using a portable radiometer-spectrometer, customs officials determined that the contents contained more than 10 times the natural background radiation level. Initial identification revealed the radionuclide cesium-137 (Cs-137). The food products were subsequently classified as radioactive waste and subject to disposal in accordance with established procedures.

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MrsPernicious · 19/10/2026 23:33

It sometimes seems that the globe is being cleaved between the superpowers and that Europe is an inconvenience.

The anti European narrative from US and Russia is quite big.
France will be the first Islamic nuclear nation / UK will be the first Islamic nuclear nation - Pakistan, you don't count.
Spain is nasty and won't let us use their airstrips - yep, that has been the agreement since you nuked them 60 years ago.
Norway - get your Nobel Prize people under control
Switzerland...
The US has found beef with everyone.

20 years ago UK private schools started to fill with European Russians from Moscow and St Petersburg; there was a lot of hope.

It has all gone a bit Pete Tong

MrsPernicious · 19/10/2026 23:41

RedToothBrush · 19/10/2026 23:29

30 kg of radioactive mushrooms were confiscated from a passenger at Domodedovo Airport.

At Domodedovo Airport, a passenger was confiscated a box of dried porcini mushrooms containing radioactive material more than 10 times higher than normal. The Yantar system was triggered during baggage screening, and testing revealed cesium-137.

Customs officers at Moscow's Domodedovo Airport discovered 30 kilograms of radioactive dried porcini mushrooms in a passenger's luggage, the press service of the Federal Customs Service (FCS) of the Russian Federation reported.

A man checked a box of luggage. During an inspection of the box in the basement of the assembly area, the Yantar fixed fissile and radioactive material detection system was activated. Inspectors opened the box and found a loose substance in a factory-sealed cardboard bag. According to the label, it was dried porcini mushrooms produced by a Russian company.

Using a portable radiometer-spectrometer, customs officials determined that the contents contained more than 10 times the natural background radiation level. Initial identification revealed the radionuclide cesium-137 (Cs-137). The food products were subsequently classified as radioactive waste and subject to disposal in accordance with established procedures.

Chernobyl mushrooms?

Or are other places leaky?

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